Why do people blame calvinists ?

[RickReads]

If I thought they would help I would. People see them differently.

That way you can create your own theology, you`re right because you say you are type of thing. Makes talking to you kind of a waste of time.

 

[Dave L]

That way you can create your own theology, you`re right because you say you are type of thing. Makes talking to you kind of a waste of time.

I am in line with the historic church.

 

[RickReads]

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (NCPB)

Only believers call on the name of the Lord. But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit = only the saved can believe.

You have to believe before you can get saved. Believing is one of the prerequisits. What you are saying isn`t Biblical.

 

[RickReads]

I am in line with the historic church.

You are not.

 

[Dave L]

You are not.

Have you studied the Ecumenical Creeds? Do you know what they are?

 

[Dave L]

You have to believe before you can get saved. Believing is one of the prerequisits. What you are saying isn`t Biblical.

You can't discern Christ before the new birth. You only think your ideas about him are true.

 

[RickReads]

You can't discern Christ before the new birth. You only think your ideas about him are true.

They were Paul`s ideas not mine.

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[RickReads]

Have you studied the Ecumenical Creeds? Do you know what they are?

Of course. They don`t back your views either.

 

[Dave L]

Of course. They don`t back your views either.

Without looking them up, name the ecumenical creeds.

 

[Dave L]

They were Paul`s ideas not mine.

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

But the flesh can only do this with a false Christ.

 

[RickReads]

But the flesh can only do this with a false Christ.

Tell Paul, I didn`t write the passage.

 

[RickReads]

Without looking them up, name the ecumenical creeds.

Ok, were done. FYI -> as a child I was sent to mass every week for a couple of years, and attended a Catholic school for a year. I had a very old Catechism as well that I studied.

 

[Dave L]

Ok, were done. FYI -> as a child I was sent to mass every week for a couple of years, and attended a Catholic school for a year. I had a very old Catechism as well that I studied.

This is probably why you trust in self-salvation. Free will is a Catholic doctrine.

 

[Dave L]

Tell Paul, I didn`t write the passage.

So Paul is wrong?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

You have to believe before you can get saved. Believing is one of the prerequisits. What you are saying isn`t Biblical.

Faith comes by Gods grace as per:

Ephesians 2:8. Faith alone means apart from works , not grace. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Philippians 1:29- "For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake."

John 1:13- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Salvation is of the Lord. Its all His doing by His grace, even being granted by God the ability to believe. Our human decision to come to Christ comes from God, not by human decision but born of God.

God saves us and keeps us saved.

Jude 1:24-25
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Philippians 1:6-
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.NLT

1 Corinthians 1:8
He will sustain you to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

hope this helps !!!

 

[RickReads]

This is probably why you trust in self-salvation. Free will is a Catholic doctrine.

LOL! Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? You are the one who wanted me to name the creeds. They are all Catholic in orgin.

 

[Dave L]

LOL! Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? You are the one who wanted me to name the creeds. They are all Catholic in orgin.

Are they true?

 

[RickReads]

Faith comes by Gods grace as per:

Ephesians 2:8. Faith alone means apart from works , not grace. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Philippians 1:29- "For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake."

John 1:13- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Salvation is of the Lord. Its all His doing by His grace, even being granted by God the ability to believe. Our human decision to come to Christ comes from God, not by human decision but born of God.

God saves us and keeps us saved.

Jude 1:24-25
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Philippians 1:6-
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.NLT

1 Corinthians 1:8
He will sustain you to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

hope this helps !!!

I am well aware that faith is given by God. But you have to believe to qualify for salvation, salvation is future tense after believing.

Once faith is given the freewill choice to respond or not respond must be made.

 

[RickReads]

Are they true?

You are close to becoming the first person I put on ignore.

 

[Dave L]

I am well aware that faith is given by God. But you have to believe to qualify for salvation, salvation is future tense after believing.

Once faith is given the freewill choice to respond or not respond must be made.

Does a cat need to choose to act like a cat? Born again people act like born again people because they are born again....new creatures.