chad kincham
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When Paul wrote that Jesus indwelling believers is a mystery, that’s not a metaphor, or it wouldn’t be mysterious.
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Or maybe Paul is using metaphors. How can Jesus be in all of these hearts if He is flesh and bones as He said? He said He wasn't a spirit so He can't be an omnipresent spirit. He said He was flesh and Bone. The apostle John too, says that He is flesh and bone.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 Jn. 4:2 KJV)
Here the word translated come, is a perfect tense participle. The perfect tense indicates a past completed action whose results continue to the present. What John is saying is that Christ came in the flesh and was still in the flesh when John wrote the letter.
Regardless, reconciliation requires an acceptence of what a scripture says. Here`s another proof.
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
"lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."
Of course Jesus has a spirit or breath in Him. Every man does. It is the breath or spirit of life. Saying Jesus has a spirit in Him is different than saying Jesus is a spirit. But again, the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. The spirit of Christ is the spirit from Christ which is the Holy Spirit. What did He say to the apostles?
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (Jn. 15:26 KJV)
Jesus told the apostles that He would send the Spirit to them. Paul goes on to say that God gives the spirit to all believers.
Of course Jesus has a spirit or breath in Him. Every man does. It is the breath or spirit of life. Saying Jesus has a spirit in Him is different than saying Jesus is a spirit. But again, the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. The spirit of Christ is the spirit from Christ which is the Holy Spirit. What did He say to the apostles?
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (Jn. 15:26 KJV)
Jesus told the apostles that He would send the Spirit to them. Paul goes on to say that God gives the spirit to all believers.
There are two systems in scripture. The OT law that depends on free will but cannot save. And salvation by grace that is free depending on who God gives it to. But people butcher scripture when they combine the two and make grace depend on free will. They destroy grace and turn it into works. But it cannot save because it is now law.Cutting to the chase. Calvanists differ from non-Calvanists because they believe in "Total Depravity" - which is a doctrine that means that even the elect contribute nothing to their own salvation. If total depravity were true, why is the Bible filled with exhortations and directives? Why do the early church pillars of the faith, like Peter and Paul, spend considerable effort in reasoning with the "totally depraved"?
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.
It caused me to believe, as I said.So did you believe?
Salvation by grace is free, but not automatic - cooperation is required on your part as Peter points out on the day of Pentecost.And salvation by grace that is free depending on who God gives it to.
Dead people must participate in their resurrection?Salvation by grace is free, but not automatic - cooperation is required on your part as Peter points out on the day of Pentecost.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.FYI: Believing is not a Work of the Law, much less a Work of the Flesh.
wesleyan arminian says without grace, man is dead spiritually they can't save themselves.It caused me to believe, as I said.
But they end up saving themselves since it only amounts to an opportunity.wesleyan arminian says without grace, man is dead spiritually they can't save themselves.
this is funny, so an arminian who choose to believe in Jesus isn't Christian? A Christian is someone who is an calvinist?But they end up saving themselves since it only amounts to an opportunity.
That's for you to decide.this is funny, so an arminian who choose to believe in Jesus isn't Christian? A Christian is someone who is an calvinist?
“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (NCPB)
Only believers call on the name of the Lord. But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit = only the saved can believe.
Huh? Zombie Apocalypse?Dead people must participate in their resurrection?
The OP was not to discuss freewill but concerning the affinity of Arminianism to Calvinism.Arminius is nothing to me.
I don’t believe in free will because of him, but because it’s scriptural.
Even Shakespeare knew better than to say that. All through history it can be seen that whatever "the fates" determine, is accomplished through the acts of agents. Whether Paul decided to obey or not to obey, God's plan will come to pass, and that, by use of whatever Paul did. Same with us.Correct.
Obviously if Calvinism was a fact, nothing Paul did could affect salvations, so becoming all things to all men would be useless.
Shalom.
Jesus wasn`t claiming to be the father. He was identifying Himself as the theophany that appeared to Moses aka the angel of the Lord.
Albert Barnes affirms my understanding of the text:
The question here was about his pre-existence. The objection of the Jews was that he was not 50 years old, and could not, therefore, have seen Abraham. Jesus replied to that that he existed before Abraham. As in his human nature he was not yet 50 years old, and could not, as a man, have existed before Abraham, this declaration must be referred to another nature; and the passage proves that, while he was a man, he was also endowed with another nature existing before Abraham, and to which he applied the term (familiar to the Jews as expressive of the existence of God) I AM; and this declaration corresponds to the affirmation of John Joh 1:1, that he was in the beginning with God, and was God. This affirmation of Jesus is one of the proofs on which John relies to prove that he was the Messiah Joh 20:31, to establish which was the design of writing this book.
Unfortunately that is the vibe you get with some.this is funny, so an arminian who choose to believe in Jesus isn't Christian? A Christian is someone who is an calvinist?
Can a physically dead man choose to come back to life ? why notAnd you’re correct.
It’s Calvinists that teach that we are born spiritually dead and totally depraved, so that as dead men, we can’t respond or even believe the gospel, until first being made alive by regeneration.
Shalom.
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