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I'm sorry you feel that way that is not my intent and I like you Rick. And I'm sorry and apologize if I have come across to you that way.
"My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure
....Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass.
I have planned it, surely I will do it." Isaiah 46
I don't want to think you deny the obvious principles given here and in so many other passages.
So did you believe?In my case, I was not interested in God and was not seeking him. But he gave me the Holy Spirit from out of the blue. And that experience made a believer out of me.
I misunderstood you. Too many posts for me to remember what`s what.
Somebody had said that salvation comes before repentence, and I think I thought you were saying a godless person couldn`t repent.
My belief is that faith and repentence are required before someone can get saved.
And you’re correct.
It’s Calvinists that teach that we are born spiritually dead and totally depraved, so that as dead men, we can’t respond or even believe the gospel, until first being made alive by regeneration.
Thus in their dogma, to save the elect, God must zap them with irresistible grace/regeneration, so that they will be able to have faith.
Therefore their doctrine has grace/regeneration/faith coming in that order, so that the elect are first saved, and then believe.
But the Bible is so clear that the sequence of the new birth is faith/grace/regeneration.
It’s as if salvation in the Bible was horse/cart, but Calvinism is backwards and has it as cart/horse.
The proverbial cart before the horse mistake.
Shalom.
It is a debatable point. However, I think the standing Jesus in Stevens vision Indicates the transition from converting Israel to world evangelism without Israel. Mind you, I am not anti-Israel.
You know a lot of people like to use the I am statement. When Jesus Christ speaking in that verse was him saying that He was from above.
Though after Jesus Christ has accomplished all the things God need Him, and Jesus Christ gave everything back to God so that God may be all in all.
We do see later on in the Revelation, about how Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty on the throne.
The whole I am statement is used an a lot... those none of these things are salvation issue.
This tells me what the Bible means by celestial. It doesn't tell me how you understand the word. That you won't simply say what it means to you actually speaks volumes.
Nope, you've got to look at all of Scripture.
5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
(Phil. 2:5-7 ASV)
Paul says that being in the form of God Jesus emptied Himself and became like man. He emptied Himself and became man. Thus His statement a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have. Again, you say Jesus is a spirit, according to Jesus He isn't.
Never heard of that before but that seems really interesting Chad. I have no problem with your belief.
I disagree with Jesus ever being in OT, because it was GODS WORD, that was in the OT, then the word later became flesh named Jesus, in the NT. ~ ~ ~ That is just my thoughts on that subject Chad.
Me saying Jesus Christ is God, doesn't save me.
I believe that faith through grace saves us.
According to Christianity Today's "Christian History" it is said concerning Arminius, "It was his study of the Epistle to the Romans as an Amsterdam minister that set Jacob Arminius firmly against Calvinism. Faith, he believed, was the cause of election: "It is an eternal and gracious decree of God in Christ, by which he determines to justify and adopt believers, and to endow them with eternal life but to condemn unbelievers, and impenitent persons." "That teacher obtains my highest approbation who ascribes as much as possible to divine grace," he assured them, "provided he so pleads the cause of grace, as not to inflict an injury on the justice of God, and not to take away the free will of that which is evil."
Per Theopedia "The theology of Arminianism was not fully developed during Arminius' time, but was systematized after his death and formalized in the Five Articles of Remonstrance in 1610." https://www.theopedia.com/jacobus-arminius
Arminius seems to have changed his views over his lifetime. I would not be surprised to find his later works to disagree with his earlier publications in some ways. But certainly, by the time of the Five Articles of Remonstrance (after he had already died (1609)), Arminianism had migrated from agreeing with Calvinism to opposing Calvinism, in particular, concerning the matter of free will.
Actually when Jesus said, before Abraham was, I AM - that was Him claiming to be God, and the Jews sought to stone Him for blasphemy for saying it.
You're espousing Dualism. That's not what the Scriptures teach. The Bible says that Christ emptied Himself and became man. Man cannot live apart from the Body. If Christ is a man He can't either.
Regarding 1 Cor. 6:19, the word "your" is plural and the word body is singular. He didn't say your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. He said your(plural) body (singular). In other words, their church (congregation) body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. In other words the Holy Spirit dwells among their church body. This passage isn't saying the Holy Spirit is inside of their physical bodies.
You're espousing Dualism. That's not what the Scriptures teach. The Bible says that Christ emptied Himself and became man. Man cannot live apart from the Body. If Christ is a man He can't either.
Regarding 1 Cor. 6:19, the word "your" is plural and the word body is singular. He didn't say your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. He said your(plural) body (singular). In other words, their church (congregation) body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. In other words the Holy Spirit dwells among their church body. This passage isn't saying the Holy Spirit is inside of their physical bodies.
Or maybe Paul is using metaphors. How can Jesus be in all of these hearts if He is flesh and bones as He said? He said He wasn't a spirit so He can't be an omnipresent spirit. He said He was flesh and Bone. The apostle John too, says that He is flesh and bone.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 Jn. 4:2 KJV)
Here the word translated come, is a perfect tense participle. The perfect tense indicates a past completed action whose results continue to the present. What John is saying is that Christ came in the flesh and was still in the flesh when John wrote the letter.
That's the Holy Spirit. Scriptures says He's seated at the right hand of God. But, even apart from that people can't walk up to Jesus. He's not on earth. It's this kind of thing that leads people to these ism's. People talk about coming to Christ and what they mean is they became a believer. That's not what Jesus meant when He said no one could come to Him. People start reading the Bible like this and that's how we come to the ism's.
Really? Can you reconcile these passages?
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? (Matt. 22:44 KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matt. 26:64 KJV)
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. (Mk. 16:19 KJV)
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55-56 KJV)
Please, reconcile these passages with the ones you posted. You see, you're proving my point. People just take passages they want and ignore the rest. If you're open minded you'll seek to reconcile them, if not you won't.
If you can't reconcile them all, you have something wrong.
Or maybe Paul is using metaphors. How can Jesus be in all of these hearts if He is flesh and bones as He said? He said He wasn't a spirit so He can't be an omnipresent spirit. He said He was flesh and Bone. The apostle John too, says that He is flesh and bone.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 Jn. 4:2 KJV)
Here the word translated come, is a perfect tense participle. The perfect tense indicates a past completed action whose results continue to the present. What John is saying is that Christ came in the flesh and was still in the flesh when John wrote the letter.
Really? Can you reconcile these passages?
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? (Matt. 22:44 KJV)
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matt. 26:64 KJV)
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. (Mk. 16:19 KJV)
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55-56 KJV)
Please, reconcile these passages with the ones you posted. You see, you're proving my point. People just take passages they want and ignore the rest. If you're open minded you'll seek to reconcile them, if not you won't.
If you can't reconcile them all, you have something wrong.
Or maybe Paul is using metaphors. How can Jesus be in all of these hearts if He is flesh and bones as He said? He said He wasn't a spirit so He can't be an omnipresent spirit. He said He was flesh and Bone. The apostle John too, says that He is flesh and bone.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 Jn. 4:2 KJV)
Here the word translated come, is a perfect tense participle. The perfect tense indicates a past completed action whose results continue to the present. What John is saying is that Christ came in the flesh and was still in the flesh when John wrote the letter.
Cutting to the chase. Calvanists differ from non-Calvanists because they believe in "Total Depravity" - which is a doctrine that means that even the elect contribute nothing to their own salvation. If total depravity were true, why is the Bible filled with exhortations and directives? Why do the early church pillars of the faith, like Peter and Paul, spend considerable effort in reasoning with the "totally depraved"?Let's cut to the chase. You save yourself according to Arminius. God saves you according to Calvin.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean that Christ is a spirit. The word is actually wind or breath. When it's translated spirit it's just a figurative useage of the word. The problem is the English word spirit is often used of a ghost, a disembodied living being. The Greek and the Hebrew words have no such meaning. It's a figure of speech. Too often when the English reader sees the word spirit, in his mind he plugs in, disembodied living being instead of wind or breath.
Cutting to the chase. Calvanists differ from non-Calvanists because they believe in "Total Depravity" - which is a doctrine that means that even the elect contribute nothing to their own salvation. If total depravity were true, why is the Bible filled with exhortations and directives? Why do the early church pillars of the faith, like Peter and Paul, spend considerable effort in reasoning with the "totally depraved"?
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.
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