Why do other Christians hate Pentecostals so much?

[Alithis]

Perceived image of Pentecostalism as relying on emotionalism, consequently creates sense of intellectual inferiority, resulting in arrogance and snobbery in many of the other side.

this is sadly true .. i say as a tongues speaking pentecostal ..it is ssdly very true many have fallen into that carnal tradition and gathered to themselves teacher after their own ears who will speak things they want to hear .. and get the pockets emptied out in the process lol

 

[All4Christ]

.. and get the pockets emptied out in the process lol

How is this going to improve relationships between Pentecostals any other? Comments like that just add to hostility. We could say that about pretty much any denomination, including some Pentecostals. That sadly is something that happens across Christianity.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

An interesting thread.

I will disagree with the above statement one one point: it is my understanding that the Quakers also opposed Hitler during his rise to power. There were, however, relatively few Quakers in Germany at the time. Sadly many Protestant denominations either failed to oppose Hitler or, in some cases, actually supported Hitler and the Nazis.

Moroni and the Swastika: Mormons in Nazi Germany by David Conley Nelson documents LDS support for Hitler back then.

Some in the Catholic Church was persecuted by Hitler.
But, their church endorsed him. http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-church-the-nazis-and-the-facts

There was division in major churches in Germany over Hitler,
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206 https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/christians-against-nazis/

So what did Christians in Germany do to stop the Nazis? Heinberg wrote in his 1937 book on major European governments that the Pastor's Emergency League, an organization of some 3,000 pastors under the leadership of Pastor Martin Niemoller, furnished strong opposition at the outset to the German Christian Church (a Nazi invention).

Ronald Kain, in his 1939 book, Europe: Versailles to Warsaw, wrote that Nazi treatment of the Jews offended serious Christians, and he also points out the fundamental antagonism between Christianity and Nazism, even within the German military, by noting that the chaplains of the German army in the autumn of 1937 protested to Chancellor Hitler against the Nazi campaign against the Christian churches. They warned him that a future war will find the German nation in the midst of the bitterness brought about by the conflict between Christianity and National Socialism.

Hambloch, also in 1939, wrote that it was not mere chance that an anti-Christian movement in Nazi Germany should have happened alongside anti-Jewish persecution, noting that no contortion of Christianity could allow the persecution of Jews that the Nazis were inflicting, and that the Nazis were not even trying to reconcile their actions with Christianity. The reaction of German Protestant clergy to genuine anti-Semitism, racial hatred of Jews, was to flock to a persecuted anti-Nazi Christian organization.

The opposition of Christians to anti-Semitism within Nazi Germany was direct and emphatic. In a memorandum from the leaders of the Confessing Church at Whitsundie, 1936, they stated:

"When blood, race, nationality and honor are regarded as eternal values, then the first commandment obliges the Christian to refuse this valuation. When the Aryan is glorified, the Word of God teaches that all men are sinful. If the Christian is forced by the Anti-semitism (sic) of the Nazi Weltanschauung to hate the Jew, he is, on the contrary, bidden by the Christian commandment to love his neighbor."

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/11/christian_opposition_to_nazi_a.html

Nazis planned to exterminate Christianity http://creation.com/nazis-planned-to-exterminate-christianity
by Jonathan Sarfati

Theologians who Stood Against the Nazi Tidehttp://light.christianrecord.org/stories-articles/866/

 

[Radrook]

You know, I agree with you.

Question is, what is it their fearing?

In my case the erratic unpredictable body movements and sounds.
I don't like being around persons who seem out of control in that way.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

There is false doctrine all throughout the Christian religion. Not just Pentecostals. Which I do agree that there are those who are very legalistic, many lack true preaching, some even are heretical. You know that sounds like what every church has in common besides Christ. Hypocrites there's plenty of them, false prophets and liars, also.

But you know what, there are just as many who are truly Born Again, bible believing, God fearing, Prayer warriors and evangelist out there who care about the Lost and would give their lives to the spreading of the Gospel. I tend to look for those, who do this. Live by His Word.

Many Churches today who are Dispensationists do not even believe there is prophecy today. So, how can they have false prophets, when they have no prophets?

 

[Radrook]

all that means is she was manifesting a demon ( yes yes some people say christians cant have demons -they are wrong ..sinful unrepentant people can certainly get demons ). all she needed was a person of faith to tell it to get out and she would be set free from it - i have seen it often now . its one of the standard things Jesus told us to do . "drive out devils)while i am 100% pentecostal i am 2 % pentecostal church system format -how we run congregations is a traditionally dead and warped as how rome runs theirs -i dont differentiate between one form of traditionalism falsehood and another . but pentecostalism in regard to the baptism of the holy Spirit and tongues i am 100% in agreement with as i am 100% in agreement with ALL the word of god bar None . just not mans traditions

Well, I knew it wasn't the Lord so if indeed a demon it didn't fool me. It did manage to spook me away from that denomination though.

 

[Kenny'sID]

but the disagreement comes from some stripes of penticostalism that say that if you don't experience this or that spiritual gift than you're not saved, coupled with the connection to the cundalini cult shenanigans.

Yep, and problem is, a lot of that "this and that", is a bit strange to some of us. I'll never get past it.

Also we have people like Hinn and the like, people that most can see clearly worship money and not God, and that's a huge turn off to me. These people take old ladies money, pretend to have these healing abilities, and whatever that ability is that trows people to the floor to roll around as they do. If the movement has a good name at all, those people will give it a bad one.

Some feel some, especially the real popular ones...TV preachers and all, are in reality Satan worshipers, and out of earshot of their audience, they will admit it, so it's not that they are just unknowingly led astray...they know exactly what they are doing. And I'm talking about the leaders, not so much their deceived audience.

Seriously, what's to like about a man that steals from little old ladies or whoever in the name of God? Gives Christianity a bad name, and there are people that decide to go a way other than God when they see some of this stuff...not good at all.

Religious thieves come in all denominations, at least I guess they do, but I dislike anyone who does that. I'd like to see some stats on what denominations/movement or whatever are more prone to thief preachers. I guess I just assumed it was Pentecostal but maybe not? anyone else assume that?

So after watching myself go on here, I'd guess those are probably the main reasons people tend to not like it, are for me anyway.

 

[Alithis]

Well, I knew it wasn't the Lord so if indeed a demon it didn't fool me. It did manage to spook me away from that denomination though.

well that's fine .. there is no scripture instructing us to join a denomination or to adhere to one or to be baptized into one

 

[Alithis]

In my case the erratic unpredictable body movements and sounds.
I don't like being around persons who seem out of control in that way.

consider this .. if you are going on the outward appearance .. how is that less carnal then those seeking goosebumps and angel feathers ? Both are seeking a manifestation that can be seen and felt .. thus both are absent of faith . for the just do not live by sight .. but by faith

 

[Alithis]

How is this going to improve relationships between Pentecostals any other? Comments like that just add to hostility. We could say that about pretty much any denomination, including some Pentecostals. That sadly is something that happens across Christianity.

i'm Pentecostal saying it about Pentecostals lol the beginning of correction is HONESTY truth is never delivered via a lie

 

[Kenny'sID]

how is that less carnal then those seeking goosebumps and angel feathers

Who does that?

 

[Alithis]

Who does that?

cant go into it without causing a derail of this thread topic

 

[All4Christ]

i'm Pentecostal saying it about Pentecostals lol the beginning of correction is HONESTY truth is never delivered via a lie

Ah, I misunderstood your intent As a former Pentecostal, I know how varied beliefs are, and how there are Pentecostal churches with integrity, and sadly some without integrity. I think that it unfortunately happens across Christianity though to some extent or another.

My Grandma has been taken in a few times, which saddens me considering how little money she has to spare! She has a generous heart though!

 

[Radrook]

consider this .. if you are going on the outward appearance .. how is that less carnal then those seeking goosebumps and angel feathers ? Both are seeking a manifestation that can be seen and felt .. thus both are absent of faith . for the just do not live by sight .. but by faith

Outward appearance can be indicative that something isn't quite right.
Sorry but I cannot imagine neither Jesus nor his apostles behaving that way.
Show me a scripture where it describes Jesus' or his Apostles or his disciples dropping to the floor and rolling while making garbled unintelligible sounds. One of the fruits of the holy spirit is self control not a loss of self control.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

="smithed64, post: 70475976, member: 324163"]Hello Righttruth,



Do you think that God is deaf and blind?



Emotional outbursts are not measure of spirituality. Don't you know that Jesus said that God will see and bless those who do pray in secret. David did not claim that he was led by the Holy Spirit for his public show off.

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• Only Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost for those who are obedient to Him. It cannot be done by a human being.

They did not speak in unknown tongue that required interpretation by a third agent as noticed in notorious Corinth

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Luke 22:19 verse's later part is a later insertion. It is not found in many ancient manuscripts.



I doubt because you heavily lean upon Paul's claims.

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Concerning Luke 22:19

Papyrus 75 (200 AD), one of the Bodmer Papyrii published 1956-62 (3) p 116, was also found to contain ALL EIGHT of the "Western Omissions," thus undermining the testimony of D. Hence-at this point-the critics did an abrupt "about face" and in consequence the 1971 Edition of the RSV conforms to the Majority Text in Luke 22:19-20.https://www.ecclesia.org/truth/manuscript_evidence.html

Both sides of the textual arguments given here:
https://bible.org/seriespage/2-examination-key-texts-discussion

 

[Daniel Marsh]

cant go into it without causing a derail of this thread topic

Please start it as a new thread and thanks.
daniel

I sorry to hear someone's grand mother was taken advantage of.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Outward appearance can be indicative that something isn't quite right.
Sorry but I cannot imagine neither Jesus nor his apostles behaving that way.
Show me a scripture where it describes Jesus' or his Apostles or his disciples dropping to the floor and rolling while making garbled unintelligible sounds. One of the fruits of the holy spirit is self control not a loss of self control.

Also, concerning worship Paul clearly wrote, God is not a god of chaos.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

carnal tradition, carnal knowledge, and so on.

That is cultic language used by Gnostics like Christian Science to avoid a discussion of facts and biblical truths --- by pretending they have a higher spiritual truth. For those not aware Christian Science denies the existence of matter, sin, death and evil in the world as all being an illusion of mortal carnal mind.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Shabir Ally Muslim apologists is found of using textual variants to avoid truth. http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2007/11/06/do-this-in-remembrance-of-me-luke-2219/

 

[Righttruth]

What does this have to do with worshipping God?

Discorderly conduct, rolling on floor, shouting, etc. will not catch extra attention of God who is God of order, not of confusion.

I agree, if you are lead by your emotions. Which it seems that you are doing just what the post is all about. Being led by your emotion.

You cannot make out that through the internet. It is like saying you smell the coffee that I have drunk!

The Holy Spirit grieves, he also moans, Christ lamented over Jerusalem. So, those are not Spiritual? Christ showed righteous anger at the temple when He cleared out the money lenders. He showed righteous anger when He called the lawyers hypocrites and vipers.

That is the Holy Spirit grieving more or less silently. Jesus exhibited righteous anger by words, not by contouring His body. Jesus called spade a spade, not by using unknown tongue.

We worship in Spirit and truth.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

Right

Never said that man does baptize with the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost has his own identity He is the third persona of the Trinity. And your right, He will endue us with His Spirit.

Pentecostal people believe in another baptism conducted by another person to receive the Holy Spirit resulting in speaking gibberish.

Your right, they spoke in tongues of another language other than their own, spreading the Gospel. Those at Corinth spoke in tongues that needed interpretation. Paul goes pretty in-depth about the what to do and not to do about it.

Why this was observed after Paul left only in notorious Corinth?

Well, Paul mentions the same thing. It may not have been written in Luke until later. Doesn't make it wrong? Because Paul got all His information from Peter and James about that day. They were there, remember.
It's mention in 1Corinthians 11:17-34.

The eye witnesses Matthew and John don't mention of observance as a part of 'remembrance'. Mark who got direct information from Peter also omitted it. Paul was nowhere in the picture.

Uh, read your bible much...Paul preached the Gospel

How much of it except his own abridged gospel sometime against the essence of preaching of Jesus?