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Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

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cimbk

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To me this whole issue is like one side argueing the glass is half empty, and the other side the glass is half full............the truth is both sides are correct.......most of the arguement is simply not understanding God is timeless, where He sits there is no time, He has no beginning or end, that means for God time doesn't exist, It only exist to the point we understand it, in a linear line. In the final Judgement will all be saved?, no we see from scripture many are called few are chosen. even if Christ died for all, it doesn't matter because we already know many will reject His offer. as we also see some of the called, are not chosen
 
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Thank you very much! this is exactly what I have brought up around here time and time again only to have that idea rejected and curb stomped! Because after all what do I know? im only some stupid nut on the internet who doesnt know the first thing about the soverienty of God.
 
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Actually, a lie would be claiming that one spent years trying to understand someones views and then completely misrepresenting those views.
 
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Are you being a little sensitive?
 
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If you think that's the issue then you are ignorant of the arguments.
 
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If you are going to quote me then give me the credit. But I also expect you to make sure that the context of my statements are understood. I stand behinds my statements but they are not to be thrown out willy nilly without context. Which is exactly what you have done here. You put on a great show but when it actually comes down to it you are willing to use dishonest tactics such as this.
 
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If you think that's the issue then you are ignorant of the arguments.
To be sure I am probably the most ignorant man here, But from what criteria do you base ignorance, Let me ask you a simple question, is it biblical to call yourself a "Calvinist" as one poster put it he found no need to call himself either yet hold to some of the beliefs, I would imagine half of the debate could be removed if the Calvinist sect would simply acknowledge according to scripture we are not to label ourselves as "I follow Paul, or I follow Cephus", or I follow Calvin, this is at the threshhold of your error, Its the first step in returning to a biblically based foundation, If you can't do that, and adhear to the simple teachings, how will anyone believe your not in error when you go on to the deeper things of God......such as your flower thingy
 
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I don't think you are ignorant I think you know that the label Calvinist has nothing to do with following a man but is simply used in order to quickly let folks know where you stand on Biblical issues. The argument that we follow a man is a red herring. Most Calvinists hold their theology because it is Scriptural not because a man taught it. We follow the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole not just a few prooftexts taken out of context to supporet a false elevation of man's will.
 
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I fully agree, you are either a calvinist or your not. This whole 3 point 4 point or even 4 1/2 point stuff is obsured. The fact that someone cannot adhere to all 5 points shows what they really believe in regards to calvinism.
 
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John MacArthur
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i agree alot with Calvin, but i will not label myself a Calvinist. the word of God was around way before Calvin was. I prefer and love the title Christian its enough for me, and I'm very thankful for it.


I am not calvinist and can't say that I "agree a lot with him" because I don't know much about him, but I do believe that Pastor MacArthur, who is theologically a Calvinist, is one of the finest theologians and expositors of the 21st century
 
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Robs07M6S said:
And my point is that you can misrepresent something unintentionally. If she did it on purpose in spite of knowing the truth then it would be a lie.

I agree.
 
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I challenge you to find one Calvinist who says "I follow Calvin". I certainly don't. In fact, I have intentionally not read much of Calvin.
 
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I challenge you to find one Calvinist who says "I follow Calvin". I certainly don't. In fact, I have intentionally not read much of Calvin.
In all fairness, there are those who quote the confessions and Calvin before they ever do the Scriptures.
 
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No, I didn't forget to answer the question, I answered the question, if the Bible is correct then all men are liars, you forgot that I am on the side that believes all means all and whosoever means exactly whosoever!

Do you go to a church? Does this church have Pastors, Elders, Deacons?

That is my question that you did not answer.
 
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