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And my point was that you all jumped on Dean as though he were judging their eternal state but he wasn't. He was using them to make a point.
Because whatever God does, it is done in perfect righteousness; since God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance, and Christ died for the sins of the world, for all, (2 Cor 5:15, Rom. 5:18; 1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 2:6), then it must be in accord with perfect righteousness that this is the situation.""He cannot do that in every individual case and remain righteous, or He would. "
Why not?
God does not want to act illogically. Logic (truth) flows from God who is the source of all truth. A square is a square because logically, it is a square. It cannot be a circle and a square at the same time, that is not logical. And God, who is logical, does not want to be illogical
I must come to my dear brothers defense.
Although we do disagree sometimes, there is no single person here whose opinion I value more or trust.
And all that in just 6 months. Wow!I have fought beside my brother one more than one occasion here in the Baptist area from many Arminians who come here to start debates based on faulty arguments.
Because whatever God does, it is done in perfect righteousness; since God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance, and Christ died for the sins of the world, for all, (2 Cor 5:15, Rom. 5:18; 1 John 2:2; 1 Tim. 2:6), then it must be in accord with perfect righteousness that this is the situation.
Why the personal war? For the most part I have left you alone and participate in the Calvinist Arminian debate sparingly. Do you fear my voice so much that you want me removed?And all that in just 6 months. Wow!
Just curious, you talk like you've known him a long time on here. Hes only got 243 posts and joined 6 months ago. How is it you have fought beside him so much here in the Baptist forum against Arminians? Is he a former CF post-er with a different name or are you just referring to the last few months?
Thanks and blessings,
H.
greatdivide46 said:That's easy to say if you're one of the elect.
I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!Hey brother, could you go into theological detail on a few things?
In what sense (important key words) are the following true:
1) God does not desire any to perish but all to come to repentance
2) Christ died for the sins of the world, for all
Thanks in advance for your answers. If you feel another thread is necessary, I understand.
I would greatly like to challenge your viewpoints on these statements and perhaps get some good discussion out there.
Skala said:I'd say that many are called but few are chosen
In all seriousness I am not sure that parable has anything to do with election, but the manner at which we come to God.
Everyone was invited to the feast, and of the ones that showed up, if anyone was not dressed in the proper attire, they were cast out. In like manner if one comes to God without being clothed in Christ's righteousness, he is cast out. He did not come before the Lord clothed properly. If anyone enters in by any other door than Christ, he is a thief and a robber. Christ is the only way to the Father.
What are your thoughts on the parable brother?
His_disciple3 said:I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!
are you aware that John said in 1 john the Whole World, I think that sums up what world Jesus died for!!Are you aware that in the Gospel of John he uses 'world' in at least 12 different ways?
I am not a calvinist but your answer is what i have been saying That I have a problem with "ALL" don't mean "ALL" and "WORLD" don't mean "WORLD" according to the calvinist for you see that is the only way they can get cavinism to line up with scriptures is that calvinism is true but scriptures don't say what they mean. but of course they have the truth!!
and my pointis that the post he was referring to also he said that it didn't show that they had ever repented so if you don't repent where does scriptures say you will go, also he used the word reprobate, I think it was plain what he impliedAnd my point was that you all jumped on Dean as though he were judging their eternal state but he wasn't. He was using them to make a point.
His_disciple3 said:are you aware that John said in 1 john the Whole World, I think that sums up what world Jesus died for!!
I just want to point out, not to argue, but in justification of the Calvinist view of world not meaning world: there are early Christian writings which world clearly does not mean world. I have read instances which say G-D has granted repentance to the whole world. I believe this is found in first Clement.
7:4 Let us look steadfastly to the blood of Christ, and see how precious in the sight of God is his blood, which having been poured out for our salvation, brought to the whole world the grace of repentance.
Unless, of course, he means they have the opportunity to repent.
and if we were in the same room and face of a bear actually had a face of a bear who would argue with him?
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