Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

[Soyeong]

This is exactly why God found fault with the Old Covenant, because we were completely unable to keep it.

According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult for His people to obey, and Romans 10:4-10 quotes that passage in regard to what our faith says and what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord, so for someone to say that people were unable to keep the Covenant is to call God a liar and to deny our faith. Furthermore, it would put the fault for the failure on God for giving commands that were too difficult for His people to obey rather than putting the fault on the people for not obeying because of the hardness of their hearts. However, the Bible does not say that God found fault on His end with His righteous standard, but rather the fault was on our end.

 

[Netgear]

We are not able to keep the faith?

We are weak

 

[Doug Melven]

According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult for His people to obey, and Romans 10:4-10 quotes that passage in regard to what our faith says and what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord, so for someone to say that people were unable to keep the Covenant is to call God a liar and to deny our faith. Furthermore, it would put the fault for the failure on God for giving commands that were too difficult for His people to obey rather than putting the fault on the people for not obeying because of the hardness of their hearts. However, the Bible does not say that God found fault on His end with His righteous standard, but rather the fault was on our end.

I believe Dt 30:11-14 is referring to God's laws (Not the 10 Commandments) as in the laws that Abraham was given.
He was not given the 10 Commandments because Galatians says that those weren't given till 430 years later.

And if the 10 Commandments had been something the people could keep, why was it that a man after God's own heart utterly failed at keeping them?

In Exodus 19:8 the Israelites told Moses to tell God that all God says we can do.
In reply God gave them 10 Commandments to show them that they could not do what God said, but that they needed His mercy.

 

[Soyeong]

I believe Dt 30:11-14 is referring to God's laws (Not the 10 Commandments) as in the laws that Abraham was given.
He was not given the 10 Commandments because Galatians says that those weren't given till 430 years later.

And if the 10 Commandments had been something the people could keep, why was it that a man after God's own heart utterly failed at keeping them?

In Exodus 19:8 the Israelites told Moses to tell God that all God says we can do.
In reply God gave them 10 Commandments to show them that they could not do what God said, but that they needed His mercy.

There is much evidence of many God's law being in place through Genesis prior to when they were given at Sinai. For example, murder was sinful back in Genesis 4:7 and Joseph knew adultery was sinful in Genesis 39:9. In Genesis 7:2, Noah had been given instructions about what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told how to tell them apart and in Genesis 8:20 he knew to offer a clean animal, so it can reasonably be inferred that he was given prior instructions in their regard.

There are a number of verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others, so the Law was given as instructions for how to reflect God's attributes, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control. God's attributes are eternal and unchanging, so His instructions for how to reflect His attributes are likewise eternal and unchanging, which means that we can expect that what God taught to Abraham is very similar to what God taught to Moses. The main difference would be in regard to instructions for how Israel was to act as a nation and to the Levitical priesthood.

In Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire Law, so there are countless people who have kept the Law. Disobedience to God's Law is not because it is too difficult for us to obey but because of the hardness of our hearts, which leads us to disobey it. This is why the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), sending His son to free us from sin so that we can be free to obey that Law that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:4-7), and writing His Law in our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:34).

 

[Doug Melven]

There is much evidence of many God's law being in place through Genesis prior to when they were given at Sinai. For example, murder was sinful back in Genesis 4:7 and Joseph knew adultery was sinful in Genesis 39:9. In Genesis 7:2, Noah had been given instructions about what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told how to tell them apart and in Genesis 8:20 he knew to offer a clean animal, so it can reasonably be inferred that he was given prior instructions in their regard.

I believe this is what God wanted. He communicated with these people His will.
But in Exodus 19-20 the people had no desire to talk with God.

There are a number of verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others, so the Law was given as instructions for how to reflect God's attributes, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control. God's attributes are eternal and unchanging, so His instructions for how to reflect His attributes are likewise eternal and unchanging, which means that we can expect that what God taught to Abraham is very similar to what God taught to Moses. The main difference would be in regard to instructions for how Israel was to act as a nation and to the Levitical priesthood.

So what do you do with Galatians?
3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

In Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire Law, so there are countless people who have kept the Law. Disobedience to God's Law is not because it is too difficult for us to obey but because of the hardness of our hearts, which leads us to disobey it. This is why the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), sending His son to free us from sin so that we can be free to obey that Law that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:4-7), and writing His Law in our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:34).

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The law written on stone.
The Word was made flesh.
And if any have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His.

 

[bugkiller]

And people the same with the new too.

No because no performance is required.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There is much evidence of many God's law being in place through Genesis prior to when they were given at Sinai. For example, murder was sinful back in Genesis 4:7 and Joseph knew adultery was sinful in Genesis 39:9. In Genesis 7:2, Noah had been given instructions about what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told how to tell them apart and in Genesis 8:20 he knew to offer a clean animal, so it can reasonably be inferred that he was given prior instructions in their regard.

There are a number of verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others, so the Law was given as instructions for how to reflect God's attributes, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control. God's attributes are eternal and unchanging, so His instructions for how to reflect His attributes are likewise eternal and unchanging, which means that we can expect that what God taught to Abraham is very similar to what God taught to Moses. The main difference would be in regard to instructions for how Israel was to act as a nation and to the Levitical priesthood.

In Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire Law, so there are countless people who have kept the Law. Disobedience to God's Law is not because it is too difficult for us to obey but because of the hardness of our hearts, which leads us to disobey it. This is why the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), sending His son to free us from sin so that we can be free to obey that Law that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:4-7), and writing His Law in our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:34).

You are talking about something different from the law (10 Cs). The 10 Cs did not exist prior to leaving Egypt according to Deut 5:3.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There is much evidence of many God's law being in place through Genesis prior to when they were given at Sinai. For example, murder was sinful back in Genesis 4:7 and Joseph knew adultery was sinful in Genesis 39:9. In Genesis 7:2, Noah had been given instructions about what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told how to tell them apart and in Genesis 8:20 he knew to offer a clean animal, so it can reasonably be inferred that he was given prior instructions in their regard.

There are a number of verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others, so the Law was given as instructions for how to reflect God's attributes, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control. God's attributes are eternal and unchanging, so His instructions for how to reflect His attributes are likewise eternal and unchanging, which means that we can expect that what God taught to Abraham is very similar to what God taught to Moses. The main difference would be in regard to instructions for how Israel was to act as a nation and to the Levitical priesthood.

In Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire Law, so there are countless people who have kept the Law. Disobedience to God's Law is not because it is too difficult for us to obey but because of the hardness of our hearts, which leads us to disobey it. This is why the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to His Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), sending His son to free us from sin so that we can be free to obey that Law that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:4-7), and writing His Law in our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:34).

So why are Christians not obedient to the law? Where is the verse that says the Holy Spirit leads us to the law? Why do people who demand the law always run from it upon violation demanding grace?

bugkiller

 

[Afra]

The 10 commandments are only useful when we are accusing Catholics of violating them.

 

[Doug Melven]

The 10 commandments are only useful when we are accusing Catholics of violating them.

The 10 Commandments accuse any sinner of wrongdoing.

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

 

[ralliann]

According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult for His people to obey, and Romans 10:4-10 quotes that passage in regard to what our faith says and what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord, so for someone to say that people were unable to keep the Covenant is to call God a liar and to deny our faith. Furthermore, it would put the fault for the failure on God for giving commands that were too difficult for His people to obey rather than putting the fault on the people for not obeying because of the hardness of their hearts. However, the Bible does not say that God found fault on His end with His righteous standard, but rather the fault was on our end.

The problem is....Not that a person couldn't do the law, rather the law indicted as a collective. There is the concept of the collective nature of sin in Moses law. While an individual might be obedient , it was impossible for the nation as a collective to keep it.
See the collective nature of sin here. Joshua is warning two and one half tribes concerning their actions and it effects.
Jos 22:20 Did not Achan the son of Zerah commit a trespass in the accursed thing, and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel? and that man perished not alone in his iniquity.

Jos 22:18 But that ye must turn away this day from following the LORD? and it will be, seeing ye rebel to day against the LORD, that to morrow he will be wroth with the whole congregation of Israel.

 

[Kaon]

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

None.

 

[Kaon]

According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult for His people to obey, and Romans 10:4-10 quotes that passage in regard to what our faith says and what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord, so for someone to say that people were unable to keep the Covenant is to call God a liar and to deny our faith. Furthermore, it would put the fault for the failure on God for giving commands that were too difficult for His people to obey rather than putting the fault on the people for not obeying because of the hardness of their hearts. However, the Bible does not say that God found fault on His end with His righteous standard, but rather the fault was on our end.

Besides, Christ Himself proved that God's laws were NOT too much for Son of Man by perfectly following them.

All of God's accusers, even, are silenced by Him. That is why He gives us grace while at the same time expecting us to be obedient (what parent wouldn't?)

 

[Doug Melven]

Besides, Christ Himself proved that God's laws were NOT too much for Son of Man by perfectly following them.

All of God's accusers, even, are silenced by Him. That is why He gives us grace while at the same time expecting us to be obedient (what parent wouldn't?)

The law shuts peoples mouths too.
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

 

[Soyeong]

The problem is....Not that a person couldn't do the law, rather the law indicted as a collective. There is the concept of the collective nature of sin in Moses law. While an individual might be obedient , it was impossible for the nation as a collective to keep it.
See the collective nature of sin here. Joshua is warning two and one half tribes concerning their actions and it effects.
Jos 22:20 Did not Achan the son of Zerah commit a trespass in the accursed thing, and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel? and that man perished not alone in his iniquity.

Jos 22:18 But that ye must turn away this day from following the LORD? and it will be, seeing ye rebel to day against the LORD, that to morrow he will be wroth with the whole congregation of Israel.

I agree that there are instances where sin has a collective nature, but I don't see any reason to think that it is possible for an individual, but not possible for a collective. A community can't be held responsible for failing to meet an impossible standard any more than an individual can, so if it were impossible for a community, then the fault would not lie with the community, but with God, but God said that it was not too difficult, and indeed it is not.

 

[Doug Melven]

but God said that it was not too difficult, and indeed it is not.

If it was not to difficult to obey then why did David, a man after God's own heart utterly fail to keep His commandments?
He was an adulterer.
He committed premeditated murder.
He numbered the people and 70000 people died as a result.

 

[Soyeong]

I believe this is what God wanted. He communicated with these people His will.
But in Exodus 19-20 the people had no desire to talk with God.

Indeed, one thing the the people listed in hebrews 11 had in common was that they heard and obeyed God's voice. This is why the New Covenant no longer has man as a mediator, as the Mosaic Covenant was originally intended to be.

So what do you do with Galatians?
3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Let's look at a similar passage:

Luke 16:16-18 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void. 18 “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

So the Law and the Prophets were was until John, but John did not teach a message that the Law and the Prophets have come to and end and we no longer need to repent, but rather his message was one of repentance and returning to obedience to the Law, and indeed that is the Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus said had been preached since John. Jesus then went on to say that not the least part would disappear from the Law and then went on to teach obedience to it. So there is nothing in the context that suggests that Jesus saying that the Law and the Prophets were until John meant that they were ending with John. Likewise, I don't see a good reason to interpret Galatians 3:19-23 as saying that the Law ended with Jesus. Indeed, instructions for how act in accordance with God's righteousness can't be ended without first ending God's eternal righteousness.

Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same thing as having no more need to live by what a tutor taught you. Someone who completely disregarded everything their tutor taught them after they left would be completely missing the whole point of a tutor. A student does not move on to 2nd grade by disregarding everything that they were previously taught, but rather their new teacher builds upon what they were taught. Now that Jesus has come we have a superior teacher, but the subject matter is still how to walk in God ways obedience to the Law in accordance with what Jesus taught by word and by example. We also now have the Spirit, who has the role of leading us in obedience to the Law.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The law written on stone.
The Word was made flesh.
And if any have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His.

Changing the medium that a law is written upon doesn't change the content of what it requires us to obey. In 1 John 2:3-6, we are told that those who are in Christ ought to walk in the same way he walked, and the way that Christ walked was in complete obedience to the Mosaic Law. That is linked with the instruction for us to follow Christ's commands, so he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced.

 

[Soyeong]

If it was not to difficult to obey then why did David, a man after God's own heart utterly fail to keep His commandments?
He was an adulterer.
He committed premeditated murder.
He numbered the people and 70000 people died as a result.

After Deuteronomy 30:11-14, verses 15-20 says that obedience to the Law brings life and a blessing, while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it is presented as a choice, but if it were impossible to to obey, then it would not really be a choice, and that would make God out to be an unloving Father who essentially gave the Law in order to curse His children. However, I think our Father knows how to give better gifts than that, especially when He said that the Law was given for our own good to be a blessing. Furthermore, all of the Israelites being under God's curse and none under His blessing does not correspond to the historical reality that is presented in Scripture. For example the Psalms contain extremely high praise for God's Law and it would make no sense for David to say that blessed are those who walk in the Law of the Lord if there there was not a single person who did that (Psalms 119:1), and there is not even a hint that he considered the Law to be a curse. The Law itself came with instructions for what to do when people sinned, so perfect obedience was never the expectation. If we needed perfect obedience, then there would be no point in repentance because it would already be too late, yet every single prophet up to an including Jesus came with the message to repent from our sins. So whether we continue to practice repentance is the key distinction between keeping the Law or not, between being under the blessing or the Law or it curse. David committed gave sins, but he always repented, a repentance is something anyone can do.

 

[ralliann]

I agree that there are instances where sin has a collective nature, but I don't see any reason to think that it is possible for an individual, but not possible for a collective. A community can't be held responsible for failing to meet an impossible standard any more than an individual can, so if it were impossible for a community, then the fault would not lie with the community, but with God, but God said that it was not too difficult, and indeed it is not.

The difference is, One Is a carnal collective. The other a spiritual collective.
The Israel of God.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Your arguments remind me of this........
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

 

[Kaon]

The law shuts peoples mouths too.
Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

No one who is obedient to the law is under the law; that is silly.

This means that if you try to justify your SALVATION by following the Law instead of trusting and believing on the Christ, then you are obligated to be perfect - or else the law damns you.

If you think you can perfectly follow the Law without ever breaking one of the smallest rules, then you put your faith in the strength of your ability to be perfect.

However, just because you can't follow the Law perfectly 100% of the time doesn't mean you don't try to be perfect! What sense does that make? We are children of God, not romantic tropes of humanity. Therefore, we are held to a standard of God (perfection,) and when we fall that is when we trust in Christ and His sacrifice to afford us the grace to repent - instead of the strength of your ability to be perfect.

The works of your faith are actually believing God when He says He will bless those who keep His commandments, and that those who love Him keep His commandments. Remember, the Word of God is Christ - who is God. Everything that was created was created by Him. They are the same law; the same One who spoke to Moses is the same One who showed Thomas His wounds.