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Why is it I don't see any of this in this other quote?
if you have the real thing that was being looked forward to, why still observe what He fulfilled?
Like you, I keep Jesus everyday, not His shadow once a week.
Like you, I keep Jesus everyday, not His shadow once a week.
I disagree, I believe it does.This does not say what you claimed, that 'the Sabbath was a sign for the Sinai covenant made with the nation of Israel'.
Being a "perpetual covenant" or permanent obligation or contract, is something different than "the sign" of such obligation or duty under contract.I disagree, I believe it does.
Ex 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Observing the Sabbath in their generations was for a covenant.
You asked and I gave.
Being a "perpetual covenant" or permanent obligation or contract, is something different than "the sign" of such obligation or duty under contract.
But suppose the Sabbath and or Sabbath Commandment in the Fourth Commandment is, the 'sign' as you say of the Ten Commandments Law engraved in stone, then the other nine Commandments are marked by their, 'sign' of authenticity the Seventh Day Sabbath! How then can you dismiss the Sabbath but not the other nine Commandments, because they are held up by their 'sign' or emblem--according to you!
I agree.That is old testament law.
We are no longer under the law but under the new covenant.
"And he said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" ~ Mark 2:27
That is old testament law.
We are no longer under the law but under the new covenant.
"And he said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" ~ Mark 2:27
It is fairly simple. Jer 31:31-33 and LK 22:20.Being a "perpetual covenant" or permanent obligation or contract, is something different than "the sign" of such obligation or duty under contract.
But suppose the Sabbath and or Sabbath Commandment in the Fourth Commandment is, the 'sign' as you say of the Ten Commandments Law engraved in stone, then the other nine Commandments are marked by their, 'sign' of authenticity the Seventh Day Sabbath! How then can you dismiss the Sabbath but not the other nine Commandments, because they are held up by their 'sign' or emblem--according to you!
Obviously Jeremiah is unreliable and false prophet by what you post.'Old testament law' is all the Old Testament Scriptures; if you are not under it, then in what sense are you not under it, seeing that you do believe in the Old Testament Scriptures, don't you?
Like the Sabbath, the Old Testament Scriptures-Law-of-God BY DEFINITION AND BELIEVING are the Written Word-of-God-SPEAKING and today is JUST as Authoritative as in OT times when God "spoke through the prophets in MANY WAYS", not just the Ten Commandments. God gave 'man' --that is, "the People of God", "True Believers" IN JESUS CHRIST--, His Written Word, "All Scripture", his Written Word OF ALL TIME. So, if you do not believe the Old Testament Law, in my opinion you have no right to call yourself a Christian. A Christian is not one by picking and choosing.
You are making a terrible mistake to think 'We are no longer under the law but under the new covenant'. Besides contradicting word for word the Scriptures that declare all men "SHALL be and ARE under the Law for as long as they live", simply because all men for all their lives SHALL be and ARE, common, SINNERS, besides that, such claim as 'We are no longer under the law but under the new covenant' betrays most unfortunate misconception about what The New Covenant, is. Because God never made more than ONE and EVERLASTING Covenant, his Covenant of Grace, which Covenant was and is and ever will be the exclusive Covenant through which once forever "the God of Peace and rest, brought and rested up from the dead again, our Lord Jesus that Great Shepherd of the sheep." God made no 'new covenant' whereby or through or by virtue of which He Raised Christ from the dead, but, "by the exceeding greatness of his Power to us-ward according to the working of his Mighty Strength WHICH GOD WROUGHT (triumphed in, finished, blessed, perfected, and RESTED) WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST from the dead", "through the blood of The EVERLASTING Covenant".
It's One, Everlasting, SO OLD, SO NEW Covenant of God's LOVE or NO 'new covenant' under which "true believers" ever were redeemed or saved by the One, Eternal, God of ages by his Son, "IN, THESE, LAST DAYS", "working and accomplishing and sanctifying His REST", "forevermore". Forevermore or never, never a God, never a Son, never a Covenant, NEVER REDEMPTION for you or for me!
The idea God had or closed an 'old covenant' at one time but after a while had to make another 'new covenant', implies, God forbid, that God once and for all, failed!
When does dawn happen under the OT way of time keeping?The text actually, literally, has, "THEN SUDDENLY, IMMEDIATELY, AT THE MOMENT OF late on the Sabbath BEING IN THE MID-AFTERNOON DAYLIGHT as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week Mary Magdalene and the other Mary setting out to go have a look at the tomb THERE WAS a great earthquake the angel of the Lord descending..." [kai idou...epi-phoskousehi...egeneto seismos]. In the Old Testament 3 PM the time "being-between-the-late-quarters-of-days" [behn-ha-arba-yim] "thou shalt KILL the passover (lamb)".
3 PM, "the ninth hour" it was when they killed "Our Passover";
3PM it was when they had finished to burn the remains of the passover lamb and for the second time had finished to eat unleavened cakes at Succot;
3 PM it was when ON THE SABBATH the LORD had planted them in the land the LORD had sworn to give the children of Israel.
3 PM therefore, [enatehn hohran...epephohsken Sabbaton...tehi epiphoskousehi]
That was his past. It is not spoken of as his current way of life. Paul was living like a gentile in Antioch just like Peter.That Paul refused to be proud of his lawkeeping implies he kept the law; not that he broke the law. Or would you prefer to differ, that Paul refused to be proud of his lawbreaking? In which case we perfectly agree, I think.
Yeah calling law keeping dung is the highest mark of pride.You said earlier in post 217 that we need more people to be proud of keeping God's law.
Whether or not Paul kept the law is not at issue here, he would not bring it up, let alone be proud of it.
In Philippians 3:7-8 he says it was allileofpoop:
3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.
To be proud of keeping the law is to be proud of your own accomplishments.
I am sure you are already familiar with all of the Scriptures that tell us how God feels about the proud.
Ga 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.'Old testament law' is all the Old Testament Scriptures; if you are not under it, then in what sense are you not under it,
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