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Duh, everyone knows that. I didn't say it was a bad proverb.
Care to Google how many Christian clergy were imprisoned, tortured and killed by Communists worldwide since 1917?
Nathan Poe,
Apart from having no idea what your point is, just to correct you during the disputes some of Mohammeds followers were attacked.
it's actually quite simple -- if you spend decades kicking a dog, who's to blame when it turns around and bites you?
How did we kick it any more than we kicked, say, the Japanese?
In fact, we had given all of those nations their sovereignty and, in good old American tradition, we had merely hoped for them to trade with us and not be Communist.
Heck, Americans were happy to sit around while the Taliban executed women for showing too much of their arms.
Where is the kicking, Nathan?
No they aren’t, you don’t understand Christianity. The remarks are being made to those who followed the OT law. Jesus fulfils the law and prophets. Indeed to highlighted that Jesus doesn’t abolish any of the law and prophets but failed to highlight that he fulfils. There is a new covenant in Christ.Then they are in direct violation of Jesus' commands:
Atheists actually believe in God, they are just in the stage before their rebellious spirit is broken and the believe. The Nicene creed is based on what the first disciples taught by Christ, heard saw and believed. Read the CF Nicene Creed statement of faith, its quite obvious from the NT writers, including original disciples taught by Christ that God is manifest as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.Before the Nicene creed; The proto-Christians did not believe in Christ as God. The notion of the trinity was fabricated at the Nicene synod 300 years after the death of Christ. Islam is more in line with early Christianity.
I understand the Trinitarian view perfectly well, thank you. The point I had been trying to make was simply that accusing Islam of condoning violence, whether by Muhammad or by Allah, is something I find to be entirely hypocritical of those following another religion, in this case Christianity, whose God can also be shown to be condoning of violence, and yes, even in spite of Jesus. This all assumes of course that one views the bible literally, and accepts each event as it's supposed to have happened.So obviously not, if God carries out the violence then leave it to God, Jesus tells His disciples not to use the sword or violence and didnt.
Mohammed isnt Allah, Jesus Christ is God. Do you not understand core Christian values?
I understand the Trinitarian view perfectly well, thank you. The point I had been trying to make was simply that accusing Islam of condoning violence, whether by Muhammad or by Allah, is something I find to be entirely hypocritical of those following another religion, in this case Christianity, whose God can also be shown to be condoning of violence, and yes, even in spite of Jesus. This all assumes of course that one views the bible literally, and accepts each event as it's supposed to have happened.
I acknowledge that Jesus' teachings are grounded more in non-violence. It's the reason I personally resonate more with Christianity than with Islam. Muhammad's teachings and world-view are quite obviously more similar to those found in the Old Testament bible. He believed in picking up a sword to fight in battle. Is this bad? It wouldn't be my first choice, and perhaps it wouldn't be Jesus' either, but other prophets and major religious figures have done so, therefore he isn't alone in his thinking. Does this make Jesus superior? That's really a matter of personal quiery. I choose instead to remember that just like the in the OT, even when entangled in battle, Muhammad too believed in the Golden Rule et al (can be found in the Qur'an and the Hadith both). Does the fact that some of his followers do not do the same reflect badly on Muhammad, or mean that he was a terrible prophet? Well, one could ask the same of Jesus, as we know that Christians don't always 'fall in line' either.But I wasnt talking about whether Allah and God both commit what you call violence, I was referring to the followers, the followers of Allah through Mohammeds teaching and the followers of Jesus Christ through His teaching. Mohammed and his followers committed violence, the followers of Jesus were taught not to and in the only incident, Jesus healed the man
That is the difference I am asking you to take on board and address.
No I don’t think you do, to say ‘more’ in non-violence suggests His teachings did include some. Can you show where. Assuming you can’t, Jesus Christ’s teachings are grounded in non-violence, as opposed to Mohammed’s.I acknowledge that Jesus' teachings are grounded more in non-violence.
For faith in Christ, yes this is bad.He believed in picking up a sword to fight in battle. Is this bad?
To say Muhammed believed ‘too’ implies as well as Jesus Christ, there is no golden rule specified by Jesus Christ. According to Jesus Christ’s teaching, to love ones neighbour is subject to loving God the Father, which Islam doesn’t have. Jesus taught to obey all He taught, and for His disciples to love each other a sHe taught so the world would know who His disciples are.Muhammad too believed in the Golden Rule et al (can be found in the Qur'an and the Hadith both).
Again you are looking at those who claim to be followers rather than who they follow, which should show who the followers really are and really aren’t. That’s not the difference I am asking you to take on board and address.Does the fact that some of his followers do not do the same reflect badly on Muhammad, or mean that he was a terrible prophet? Well, one could ask the same of Jesus, as we know that Christians don't always 'fall in line' either.
tanzanos,
Atheists actually believe in God, they are just in the stage before their rebellious spirit is broken and the believe.
Well its a deal as long as dont try and tell Christians what their beliefs are either.You know me better than I do??? I can assure you that the very notion of any deity goes against all my beliefs.
No, what we have as Christianity is what the Christian churches decided to keep as authentic, so whether you think Christianity is false doesnt change what Christianity actually is.There were many gospels that were deemed unacceptable by the synod. It was people who decided what is what. People who did not even know Jesus. People who lived 300 years after the death of Jesus. My money is on the first non Trinitarian Christians.
You have totally disregarded my post#106
Already know that and it has already been discussed. Allah is the word for god in Arabic. It doesn’t mean anything called allah god is God.For your information:
ALLAH means GOD in ARABIC.
The Quran and the Bible show this not to be the case. In fact the superseded Mecca revelation does say this..This is the same God of Abraham and Moses as the one you worship.
The Quran doesn’t contain any such thing, even the accounts of the people are corrupted in the Quran.The Quraan contains both the OT and the NT with the exception of the trinity and the resurrection.
But Jesus Christ is the Son of God as well which is somewhat more significant.In Islam; Jesus is highly regarded as a Prophet.
Hitler wasn’t a follower of Jesus, he didn’t follow His teachings, he just claimed to. Fred Phelps isnt following Jesus Christ when he suggest God hates people, in Christ there is no condemnation and God so loved the world that He gave the Son.Hitler was a follower of Jesus; do you condone his actions? Fred Phelps is a Christian; Do you condone his hate preaching?
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