why do jews reject jesus?

[dfw69]

The requirements have not been met and, according to Christianity itself, will not be met until he comes again. If he does, I'll believe him. Until then it would be wrong of me to declare anybody to be the messiah in the same way it would be wrong of me to declare someone to be the next President prior to the election.

the next false messiah is suppose to be pretty convinving you know

 

[dfw69]

What makes you think that in and with Jesus, God has changed His mind?

he didnt...its a misunderstanding....from what i gather...the prophets show a time when jews will submit to the will of hashem again....but not before they experience hard times...because they are fallen from grace because they hold to the law....

the jews may obtain the promise of heaven if they convert...and when the rapture takes place the promise is fulfilled....but since many reject the promise...a second chance is available for the remnant that hashem will recieve...during this time that the second chance takes place is known as the messianic age and 1000 year reign of the true messiah

 

[dfw69]

The requirements to be met can only ever be met once. Ever. They cannot be replicated. Ever.

Universal world peace. Universal knowledge of HaShem. These aren't things a false person can achieve.

not by himself ...but a joint effort by governments of the earth can this be achieved....and when it is achieved and after some time has past....war will start again as proof the age was false...for when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes....as prophecied

As to your new covenant, let's look at Jeremiah, shall we?

Jeremiah 31:

31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt—a covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ok, cool, there it is. That's what you're talking about, right?

34 No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, ‘Know the Lord’, for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and remember their sin no more.

Then where is my universal knowledge of HaShem? Why do you have to tell me to know Jesus if in the new covenant described by Jeremiah EVERYBODY WILL KNOW from the least of them to the greatest. Am I not between the least and the greatest somewhere? Why do you need an Outreach section on Christian Forums? It should be called the Bloody Obvious forums where everybody talks about how true it is if this new covenant is around.

it is unfulfilled bro....for now, the new covenant is preached as jesus commanded his disiples to witness to the truth of the gospel....but an end of preaching comes....and the lord returns...then all will know hashem....and the scripture will be fulfiled in the messsianic age

Why do you want me to ignore the words of Jeremiah to embrace something your new covenant? Why shouldn't I embrace the words of Jeremiah and seek a new covenant that fulfills the entire prophecy? Why do you have so many half prophecies?

what half prophecies....the gospel is preached for now and universal knowledge come at an appointed time....its not hard to see

 

[Robban]

he didnt...its a misunderstanding....from what i gather...the prophets show a time when jews will submit to the will of hashem again....but not before they experience hard times...because they are fallen from grace because they hold to the law....

the jews may obtain the promise of heaven if they convert...and when the rapture takes place the promise is fulfilled....but since many reject the promise...a second chance is available for the remnant that hashem will recieve...during this time that the second chance takes place is known as the messianic age and 1000 year reign of the true messiah

Should there not be a bill of divorce somewhere?

Hard times are a part of Life, there will be hard times, that,s for sure.
But, for those who are His, they will be lifted out of time, so to speak,

This can happen on rare occasions, but it does happen.
The bodies are here but the soul is lifted up,

 

[ViaCrucis]

Notice Messiah H4899 in Daniel is Strong's Number H4899, which matches the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (mashiyach). It occurs 39 times in 38 verses in the the KJV. Only in Daniel is that hebrew word translated Messiah, the other 37 times it's translated anointed. anointed (37x), Messiah (2x).

Right. As a term messiah is used many times in many contexts. My contention is that its use in Daniel here is intended not to refer to the Messiah but instead to refer to Cyrus. I think that is more consistent with what the text is talking about and probably better represents the intent of the author.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[LoAmmi]

not by himself ...but a joint effort by governments of the earth can this be achieved....and when it is achieved and after some time has past....war will start again as proof the age was false...for when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes....as prophecied

I'm sorry, but one cannot achieve universal peace and universal knowledge of HaShem falsely. Universal knowledge means that even Christians would recognize that they have been wrong and come to recognize the Messiah.
Zechariah 8:23
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"

That is the real Messianic age, not some false thing.

it is unfulfilled bro....for now, the new covenant is preached as jesus commanded his disiples to witness to the truth of the gospel....but an end of preaching comes....and the lord returns...then all will know hashem....and the scripture will be fulfiled in the messsianic age



what half prophecies....the gospel is preached for now and universal knowledge come at an appointed time....its not hard to see

You just admitted above it is unfulfilled. To say that there is a new covenant but that it hasn't been fulfilled means it is a half prophecy.

 

[LoAmmi]

Right. As a term messiah is used many times in many contexts. My contention is that its use in Daniel here is intended not to refer to the Messiah but instead to refer to Cyrus.

-CryptoLutheran

I would agree.

 

[dfw69]

Should there not be a bill of divorce somewhere?

Hard times are a part of Life, there will be hard times, that,s for sure.
But, for those who are His, they will be lifted out of time, so to speak,

This can happen on rare occasions, but it does happen.
The bodies are here but the soul is lifted up,

no bill of divorce....its my understanding that jesus was god in the flesh....when the jews condemned him and the gentiles crusified him...god in a sense died....the husband was killed....put to death,,,setting israel free to marry another

jesus body rose from the dead and his body lifted up ...a resurerection will take place one day

 

[dfw69]

I'm sorry, but one cannot achieve universal peace and universal knowledge of HaShem falsely. Universal knowledge means that even Christians would recognize that they have been wrong and come to recognize the Messiah.
Zechariah 8:23
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"

That is the real Messianic age, not some false thing.

they heard....by whom? angels?..the spirit of hashem?.....after hearing then they will see him with their own eyes...

in the false messianic age i think what christians are left will have no choice loammi

You just admitted above it is unfulfilled. To say that there is a new covenant but that it hasn't been fulfilled means it is a half prophecy.

first comes the offering of the covenant promises ...then the promise....

 

[LoAmmi]

they heard....by whom? angels?..the spirit of hashem?.....after hearing then they will see him with their own eyes...

HaShem will change the world. It is though His work that this will be accomplished. Then, yes, they will see with their own eyes that they were wrong; they will see that they have believed us to be wrong when, in fact, we were right.

 

[dfw69]

HaShem will change the world. It is though His work that this will be accomplished. Then, yes, they will see with their own eyes that they were wrong; they will see that they have believed us to be wrong when, in fact, we were right.

Ok how?...any idea on how this is accomplished?

 

[LoAmmi]

Ok how?...any idea on how this is accomplished?

How did He part the sea?

 

[dfw69]

How did He part the sea?

Miracles...only a god can part the sea

 

[dfw69]

HaShem will change the world. It is though His work that this will be accomplished. Then, yes, they will see with their own eyes that they were wrong; they will see that they have believed us to be wrong when, in fact, we were right.

Will the messiah just appear and all is right in the world or will there be wars famine plagues?

 

[LoAmmi]

Miracles...only a god can part the sea

Indeed. Only He can change the world.

Will the messiah just appear and all is right in the world or will there be wars famine plagues?

The prophets say there will be a war where Jerusalem is surrounded by enemies. Israel will be triumphant.

 

[fizzygiraffe]

No, I'm Jewish. Jesus failed to meet the requirements laid out by the Prophets of the Lord to identify the Messiah and until he, or someone else, does that, I will not believe them to be such.

How would their role change entirely if they, the judges, would be restored in the Messianic time?
Isaiah 1: 26

And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City.

By God's grace you made my point! Thank you.

 

[LoAmmi]

By God's grace you made my point! Thank you.

There is some kind of understanding barrier between us. I'm not sure what it is but if we're in agreement that the judges will be restored, then fine.

 

[dfw69]

Indeed. Only He can change the world.



The prophets say there will be a war where Jerusalem is surrounded by enemies. Israel will be triumphant.

Yeah but this war is between the nation's of the world and Israel...where the nation's are punished with plagues for seeking to destroy Israel as a nation...like the days of hanan and also Egypt...right?...

 

[LoAmmi]

Yeah but this war is between the nation's of the world and Israel...where the nation's are punished with plagues for seeking to destroy Israel as a nation...like the days of hanan and also Egypt...right?...

Don't remember the plagues off hand. Might be.

 

[Robban]

no bill of divorce....its my understanding that jesus was god in the flesh....when the jews condemned him and the gentiles crusified him...god in a sense died....the husband was killed....put to death,,,setting israel free to marry another

jesus body rose from the dead and his body lifted up ...a resurerection will take place one day

I don,t think it,s that easy.
For example,
the custom in the times of David, was that,
when married men went into battle beforehand they would divorce themselves from their wives,
so if they did not come back the exwife would be free to marry again on the spot, so to speak,
all the paperwork done.
One reason why David did not consider that he commited adultery,