why do jews reject jesus?

[dfw69]

Don't remember the plagues off hand. Might be.

I have a pretty good idea how it goes down....create a world so unbearable that the world would welcome a false messianic age ...

Forced upon us ...the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force....but because of this the true wrath of hashem falls ...

 

[LoAmmi]

I have a pretty good idea how it goes down....create a world so unbearable that the world would welcome a false messianic age ...

Forced upon us ...the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force....but because of this the true wrath of hashem falls ...

That's a Christian POV.

 

[dfw69]

I don,t think it,s that easy.
For example,
the custom in the times of David, was that,
when married men went into battle beforehand they would divorce themselves from their wives,
so if they did not come back the exwife would be free to marry again on the spot, so to speak,
all the paperwork done.
One reason why David did not consider that he commited adultery,

Maybe so but I don't believe hashem will was to divorce Israel to set her free...death was more effective than divorce...

 

[dfw69]

That's a Christian POV.

Yep...we must not accept the false but continue to wait on him at all cost

But what happens to those who still refuse to believe the messiah has come ?

That's ok I think I know...disobey the king and its off with yo heads. .

That is why my hope is in heavenly new Jerusalem

 

[fizzygiraffe]

When Jesus returns it will not be like the first time. .as a man... He will return as a glorious son of god as an angel ...and with the resurrected saints and angels ...it will be pretty convincing .

My remarks were not at all concerning his second coming as prophesied in the Bible. Rather, it was relating to the fact that if Jesus were to be born again as a human male, and do all those things he did the first time, after more than 2000 years of worship dedicated to his fulfillment of scriptures and the prophecy arrived as pertains to Messiah, the Jews would still reject him.
The Bible tells us we shall know the truth of peoples spirit by their fruits. He also spoke his knowledge of all things in this subject in Matthew 23:33 .

There's a 2000 article that is an excellent information resource for the sincere Christian seeker in this question. I can't post links yet but the site is a .com.
Christianthinktank. After the .com add a forward slash and: falsechrist.html

This sentence may bring it up on a search engine as well:
Good question…why should we believe Jesus was the Messiah, if He didn’t fulfill all the prophecies when He was here?

Jews don't accept Jesus because they rejected the man that was Jesus the Messiah. They'd do it again. In fact, I doubt they'd accept him arriving in the prophesied second coming. But that is spoken of in that article too. It's all incumbent on Israel. As long as they reject Christ, who was God, they are what the Bible teaches of them.

 

[dfw69]

My remarks were not at all concerning his second coming as prophesied in the Bible. Rather, it was relating to the fact that if Jesus were to be born again as a human male, and do all those things he did the first time, after more than 2000 years of worship dedicated to his fulfillment of scriptures and the prophecy arrived as pertains to Messiah, the Jews would still reject him.
The Bible tells us we shall know the truth of peoples spirit by their fruits. He also spoke his knowledge of all things in this subject in Matthew 23:33 .

There's a 2000 article that is an excellent information resource for the sincere Christian seeker in this question. I can't post links yet but the site is a .com.
Christianthinktank. After the .com add a forward slash and: falsechrist.html

This sentence may bring it up on a search engine as well:
Good question…why should we believe Jesus was the Messiah, if He didn’t fulfill all the prophecies when He was here?

Jews don't accept Jesus because they rejected the man that was Jesus the Messiah. They'd do it again. In fact, I doubt they'd accept him arriving in the prophesied second coming. But that is spoken of in that article too. It's all incumbent on Israel. As long as they reject Christ, who was God, they are what the Bible teaches of them.

How hashem is gonna convince Jews in the future to accept the new covenant is beyond me...but a remnant will be saved having seen the light of the gospel and become open to receive it in their hearts even in the most trouble of times

 

[LoAmmi]

My remarks were not at all concerning his second coming as prophesied in the Bible. Rather, it was relating to the fact that if Jesus were to be born again as a human male, and do all those things he did the first time, after more than 2000 years of worship dedicated to his fulfillment of scriptures and the prophecy arrived as pertains to Messiah, the Jews would still reject him.
The Bible tells us we shall know the truth of peoples spirit by their fruits. He also spoke his knowledge of all things in this subject in Matthew 23:33 .

There's a 2000 article that is an excellent information resource for the sincere Christian seeker in this question. I can't post links yet but the site is a .com.
Christianthinktank. After the .com add a forward slash and: falsechrist.html

This sentence may bring it up on a search engine as well:
Good question…why should we believe Jesus was the Messiah, if He didn’t fulfill all the prophecies when He was here?

Jews don't accept Jesus because they rejected the man that was Jesus the Messiah. They'd do it again. In fact, I doubt they'd accept him arriving in the prophesied second coming. But that is spoken of in that article too. It's all incumbent on Israel. As long as they reject Christ, who was God, they are what the Bible teaches of them.

Pretty similar to what I've seen before. Take the Christian understanding of passages such as Isaiah 53, claim that Jews believe them, and say the Jews missed it. If I take the Jewish understanding of those passages and say Christians believe them then say Christians believe a lie, that would be just as disingenuous. That person is trying to use rabbinic teachings without a thimble full of understanding about them.

 

[fizzygiraffe]

How hashem is gonna convince Jews in the future to accept the new covenant is beyond me...but a remnant will be saved having seen the light of the gospel and become open to receive it in their hearts even in the most trouble of times

As God wills. But not the whole of the Jews.
Remnant: a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.

 

[fizzygiraffe]

The childish, right back at you, would be inappropriate here.
Rather, that you continue to prove the point I made, gleaned from scripture as it were, and answer the thread question itself and just as scripture teaches, is enough to not only sustain the fact that Jesus was Messiah. And that Jesus was absolute in his testimony about the house of Israel.

ETA:My remarks are to the Christians here as this thread was started by a Christian.
How would any Christian ever think they'd argue with a Jew that the Jewish practice is wrong to this day? And that Jesus was the Messiah? The ancients sought his murder because they did not believe.
How would anyone think the contemporary would denounce that and believe the man their forefathers sought to be murdered by Rome for blasphemy was actually not deserved of that punishment. (Jews. Not Messianic Jews)

Pretty similar to what I've seen before. Take the Christian understanding of passages such as Isaiah 53, claim that Jews believe them, and say the Jews missed it. If I take the Jewish understanding of those passages and say Christians believe them then say Christians believe a lie, that would be just as disingenuous. That person is trying to use rabbinic teachings without a thimble full of understanding about them.

 

[dfw69]

As God wills. But not the whole of the Jews.
Remnant: a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.

Seems to me in the gospel hashem seeks to destroy Judaism...or false Judaism...

And established true Judaism with the gospel at its head

 

[LoAmmi]

The childish, right back at you, would be inappropriate here.
Rather, that you continue to prove the point I made, gleaned from scripture as it were, and answer the thread question itself and just as scripture teaches, is enough to not only sustain the fact that Jesus was Messiah. But that Jesus was absolute in his testimony about the house of Israel.

I'm sorry, but I can look at a written work and determine that the person who wrote it doesn't understand Jewish teaching on subjects which I have spent years studying in depth. They have a superficial knowledge of it.

I get it now though. You aren't targeting what I'm writing, you're simply pointing to me as a Jew and saying "look, Jesus was right!". Ok then.

 

[dfw69]

Can Christianity change its worship to become Judaism without the old law customs?

 

[LoAmmi]

Can Christianity change its worship to become Judaism without the old law customs?

Gentiles only need to keep Noahide laws according to Judaism. You'd have to give up Jesus though.

 

[dfw69]

Gentiles only need to keep Noahide laws according to Judaism. You'd have to give up Jesus though.

Never!!!..lol

How bout giving up the law and becoming one in Christ ...see that's better...no Jew or gentile...only family

 

[LoAmmi]

Never!!!..lol

How bout giving up the law and becoming one in Christ ...see that's better...no Jew or gentile...only family

If you're wrong, I'd be embracing idolatry, the #1 most condemned sin in the entire Tanakh.

 

[dfw69]

If you're wrong, I'd be embracing idolatry, the #1 most condemned sin in the entire Tanakh.

So you would be condemned by hashem for serving Jesus and casting off Torah ?....condemned where?

 

[LoAmmi]

So you would be condemned by hashem for serving Jesus and casting off Torah ?....condemned where?

I'd be cut off from Israel, cut off from my people. I would no longer be doing what was right but doing what was wrong. It's a huge risk to take when the evidence does not point to Jesus being more than a man who was crucified by the Romans.

 

[dfw69]

I'd be cut off from Israel, cut off from my people. I would no longer be doing what was right but doing what was wrong. It's a huge risk to take when the evidence does not point to Jesus being more than a man who was crucified by the Romans.

That is a great sacrifice...but if I'm right you would obtain eternal life and resurrection

 

[LoAmmi]

That is a great sacrifice...but if I'm right you would obtain eternal life and resurrection

I'm sure those who worshiped Baal, the ones Elijah confronted, thought they were right too. I'll stick to the faith of my ancestors.

 

[dfw69]

I'm sure those who worshiped Baal, the ones Elijah confronted, thought they were right too. I'll stick to the faith of my ancestors.

Jesus is not Baal ..so

He was a righteous man. His works righteous...worthy to be followed

Baal came to an end ..Jesus still reigns in the hearts of his followers...His words will never come to an end even if a false messianic age comes...