Why do Christians procreate?

[Eudaimonist]

No omnipotent, for that makes God beyond time itself, which was my point.

They are separate souls. They are created by God, not by me. I created nothing. I really cannot make this clearer. You are being really abtuse, so I am done here.

Maybe I need to drink a cup of coffee, because I don't understand your argument at all. It is like you are speaking gibberish.

I'm not intentionally being obtuse. I think that there must be some unspoken premises here. Have a good day.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Larniavc]

Another way to phrase the question is that with every child a person who beleives in eternal torment in the lake of fire has they are accepting a real risk that their child will spend eternity in Hell: why take that risk?

This presupposes that never having existed forever is better than eternal torture, forever.

 

[Eudaimonist]

This presupposes that never having existed forever is better than eternal torture, forever.

Non-existence strikes me as preferable to eternal torture in any case. It would be a mercy. Who would want a beloved relative to suffer forever?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Larniavc]

Non-existence strikes me as preferable to eternal torture in any case. It would be a mercy. Who would want a beloved relative to suffer forever?


eudaimonia,

Mark

What I find most interesting is that it seems very difficult to get into Heaven. What with all the varying entry requirements: is it works or Grace or following the laws etc? Most people it seems won't get into Heaven simply by going about things the wrong way (no matter how well intentioned).

I occasionally hear people not keen on having kids say that they would not want to bring a child into such a horrible world as this one: how much worse if that child was probably going to end up in eternally worse torment, forever?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Typically, the joys of having a family of one's own. Some people just want to become fathers or mothers. Perhaps they enjoy family life.


eudaimonia,

Mark

And in answer to your question and the question of the OP, Christians do the same. Christians also believe that God commanded us to procreate. (Genesis 1:28)

Well, that is the point of procreation?

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[Eudaimonist]

And in answer to your question and the question of the OP, Christians do the same.

Yes, I have no doubt of that, but Christians (some of them) face the eternal torment issue, and atheists don't.

Christians also believe that God commanded us to procreate. (Genesis 1:28)

Some do. Not all Christians choose to procreate.

Even as a Christian (and a Catholic), I was not told that I must procreate, especially since that is not necessarily part of the New Covenant. And consider Paul's views on the matter.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”
1 Corinthians 7

Genesis strikes me as a poor excuse for not exercising some sort of ethical judgment on the issue. It's like putting Jews into gas chambers because one was "only following orders".


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Larniavc]

And in answer to your question and the question of the OP, Christians do the same. Christians also believe that God commanded us to procreate. (Genesis 1:28)

So when a child is created that God already knows will be destined to be eternally tortured isn't that kind of bad?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So when a child is created that God already knows will be destined to be eternally tortured isn't that kind of bad?

That is an off topic question.

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[Larniavc]

That is an off topic question.

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Fair enough.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Yes, I have no doubt of that, but Christians (some of them) face the eternal torment issue, and atheists don't.

And your point is....?

Some do. Not all Christians choose to procreate.

And your point is...?

Even as a Christian (and a Catholic), I was not told that I must procreate, especially since that is not necessarily part of the New Covenant. And consider Paul's views on the matter.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”
1 Corinthians 7

Here is the second verse you "forgot" to mention:

" But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. "

Genesis strikes me as a poor excuse for not exercising some sort of ethical judgment on the issue. It's like putting Jews into gas chambers because one was "only following orders".

And your point is...?


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[Eudaimonist]

And your point is...?

It doesn't address the point of the OP's question.

Here is the second verse you "forgot" to mention:

" But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. "

The second verse doesn't nullify the first verse. The second verse refers to people who don't have the fortitude to abstain from sex.

I recommend that you read 1 Corinthians 7 all of the way through. Especially this part:

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

If they cannot contain. That's an if.

It doesn't mention any duty to procreate. It is just saying that if people must go through the motions, they might as well be married.

And your point is...?

Christians still face the OP's ethical issue, and atheists have a different situation.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Vicomte13]

"Why do Christians procreate?"

Really?

 

[SeraphimSarov]

Why would atheist procreate?

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Are you for real? The question is why would a Christian have a child, knowing full well that child could effectively decide to send itself to hell. The implication here, of course, is that it is better not to exist than to suffer eternal damnation. So why do it? This is far, far different than any kind of temporal decision offspring could make that would result in pain. No, a bad decision may cause drastic degradation of life, but by the Christian's estimation, all that will one day come to an end when the child (well, possibly adult) meets God and enters heaven. Not being a Christian has eternal consequences that can't be undone, ever, under any circumstances. Knowing that the child could choose "wrongly," why risk it at all? Would you have a child if you knew God was going to damn it?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So why do it? Knowing that the child could choose "wrongly," why risk it at all? Would you have a child if you knew God was going to damn it?

For the same reasons why atheists choose to procreate.

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[SeraphimSarov]

You're not answering the question. Why have a child if there is a significant statistical probability that God will damn it?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You're not answering the question. Why have a child if there is a significant statistical probability that God will damn it?

And I have answered the question repeatedly. Of course I cannot speak for every Christian, but Christians have children for the same exact reasons atheist do.

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[Tree of Life]

Isn't it risky bringing a child into the world, knowing there is a possibility that he/she may end up in eternal torment? Why risk it?

Good question. A few responses:

1. Christians are commanded to procreate (Genesis 1:28). To refuse to do so would be rebelling against the Lord.
   
   
2. Procreation and raising up godly offspring is the most effective way to change the world for good (Genesis 15:5). Multi-generational Christians families have more power to change culture than culture has to change them.
   
   
3. Christians are very optimistic about the prospects of salvation for their children. They are born into the covenant community and are exposed to the word of God from birth. The promise of salvation is not just for believers but for believers and their children (Acts 2:39). Some 90% of Christians are Christians because their parents were Christians. The family unit is the normal way that God works to make believers.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You're not answering the question. Why have a child if there is a significant statistical probability that God will damn it?

None of the Christians are going to face your question head on.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Good question. A few responses:

1. Christians are commanded to procreate (Genesis 1:28). To refuse to do so would be rebelling against the Lord.
   
   
2. Procreation and raising up godly offspring is the most effective way to change the world for good (Genesis 15:5). Multi-generational Christians families have more power to change culture than culture has to change them.
   
   
3. Christians are very optimistic about the prospects of salvation for their children. They are born into the covenant community and are exposed to the word of God from birth. The promise of salvation is not just for believers but for believers and their children (Acts 2:39). Some 90% of Christians are Christians because their parents were Christians. The family unit is the normal way that God works to make believers.

Oh no my friend. That is not the answers an atheist wants to hear. Stand by for dissatisfied comments. [emoji13]

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[Eudaimonist]

Oh no my friend. That is not the answers an atheist wants to hear. Stand by for dissatisfied comments.

Yes, from the Apostle Paul regarding point 1.


eudaimonia,

Mark