Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Hoghead1]

Again, the problem I have with your post, KW, is that it in not an ob3jctive exegesis of Scripture. You are not just presenting Scripture and that's it. You are presenting Scripture as understood and interpreted by right-wing Christianity. OK, fine. Nothing wrong with that. Right-wing Christianity is a very traditional dimension of Christianity. Only thing is, right-wing Christianity is not the only Christian church and not the only possible interpretation of Scripture. I wish to explore these other possibilities. Now, if some of you on this forum have trouble accepting the plurality of Christianity, then that's your problem, your failure to come to grips with your intolerance and narrow-mindedness.

 

[Hoghead1]

Well, I see bluster and pomposity in your approach, too, KW. Thee you are blasting away at science and you have really no scientific credentials to begin with. Also, all your line about the scholars all being Pharisees, etc., comes straight from fundamentalistic ideology. So again, you are not just presenting Scripture, you are presenting Scripture as filtered through your ideology. In modern biblical studies, one would not last a day trying to pull something like that.

 

[Hieronymus]

The Bible is one of the most edited and changed books that has ever existed.

That is simply not true.
There is no evidence to support that, there is plenty evidence to refute that.

There are literally dozens of different versions of the Bible.

TRANSLATIONS into different LANGUAGES.

Entire books of the Bible have been eliminated and discarded as Apocrapha by various Christian sects.

Hear say, no evidene.

Other (so called Christian sects), have invented and added their own Apocrapha to the Bible.

The Bible is the Bible, it contains the same books everywhere, it always has.
This is what the ACTUAL evidence shows.

This does not mean there are some mistranslations here and there though, but your view on it is popular hear say.

 

[SteveB28]

If your opinion cannot be validated with the Scriptures, then your opinion has no value.

Your inability to produce Scripture to support your premise validates my opinion.

My premise that a large number of Christians accept the theory? Why would I need scripture to support that premise?

You just have to read the surveys!

Since no Christian believes his Bible to be false, then evolution must be false.

Take that up with your numerous fellow Christians. That there is a conflict between dogma and reality matters not a whit to me.

Reality? Reality is that the OP asks a question why Christians have trouble supporting the lie of evolution of the truth of God's word. The answer is pretty obvious. Evolution is a lie.

That is indeed one possibility, albeit very slim. But it's not the only possibility.

You have no understanding of the real world. If you did, you would know that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. You would know that the Creator of the universe is Lord of the universe. His word is truth; not man's.

And yet you cannot provide a single scrap of evidence from the real world to support any of that.

 

[SteveB28]

That's pretty sad.





Some here are arguing that such a statement is the very opposite of evolutionism's claim and is never the way that evolution is described. -- so then you agree that the Bible does not proclaim evolutionism?

Agreed!

We find agreement on that one point.



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3. Are you familiar with the "pile of dirt will sure enough turn into a horse over time - given a sufficiently large pile of dirt and a sufficiently long period of time filled with just-so stories" form of evolution? Or do you insist that God came here and scattered amoebas around to get things started?



No answer?? Is this the part where you tell us that the there was something way more than 'matter' -- than a "pile of dirt" as the starting point??? this should be good.

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On the contrary - I just proved that it is the worst option.

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To your number 3:

The theory of evolution makes no comment on the origins of life. It is concerned with the descent of species.
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Number 3 -- I give you the "non atheist" option of claiming "God did it" helping you out so you can get that "pile of dirt" to be a bit less daunting. But to be honest - - you must admit that as atheist you have to go with "pile of dirt will sure enough turn into a horse over time..." rather than "God planted amoebas on earth - the first eukarytoes and then all life evolved from that".

See it again --

3. Are you familiar with the "pile of dirt will sure enough turn into a horse over time - given a sufficiently large pile of dirt and a sufficiently long period of time filled with just-so stories" form of evolution? Or do you insist that God came here and scattered amoebas around to get things started?

The T.E.'s here DO have that second option - but as a "purist" - as an "atheist evolutionist" you don't.

There is no other Atheist "start" from that big bang onward - to the accretion disk of the solar system from which earth was formed -- right to the rabbit and sure-enough "horse" -- given a sufficiently large pile of dirt and a sufficiently long period of time.

And we all know it.[/QUOTE]

Again, the theory of evolution says nothing about the origins of life, nor about the Big Bang.

 

[Extraneous]

Just look at the passage in the KJV version of the Bible "And God created the great whales" (Genesis 1:21). In the original Hebrew those words appear as "God created the terrible creatures in the sea". In various other transliterations of the Bible, the phrase appears as "great and terrible sea creatures, sea monsters and so forth" (ASV, ISV, ect. ect.).

Well we pretty much recognize today great whales are neither terrible nor monstrous creatures, don't we ?! But that's what they had when they wrote the King James Version, so that's what ended up in that particular version as the Word of God. Nobody back then knew anything about pleisiasaurs or kronosaurs, or any other kind of extinct marine reptiles.

In fact, I find it quite interesting the Bible mentions these "terrible and monstrous" marine reptiles in the same passage with the creation of "every winged fowl", (Genesis 1:21). As dinosaurs are today separated into one of two major categories "Avian" and "Non-Avian" Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs that share anatomical similarities with birds and those that don't.

Has the wording of the Bible ever been changed ?! Are you kidding me ???

Killer whales can be dangerous, and sharks as well, just for example. I doubt we can change the bible to say dinosaur instead, because we dont know what those things were.

 

[Hieronymus]

Killer wales can be dangerous, and sharks as well, just for example. I doubt we can change the bible to say dinosaur instead, because we dont know what those things were.

They're basically big herbivore reptiles.

 

[Extraneous]

They're basically big herbivore reptiles.

Whatever they are, we cant change scripture. It must stay pure.

 

[Hieronymus]

Whatever they are, we cant change scripture.

We don't have to.

It must stay pure.

Agreed!

 

[Extraneous]

If Genesis contains analogy, it would be a mistake to change its meaning. Im not saying genesis is analogy, just saying.

 

[Hieronymus]

If Genesis contains analogy, it would be a mistake to change its meaning. Im not saying genesis is analogy, just saying.

Many things in the Bible have analogous aspects.
I think you mean allegory.
The Biblical history is not allegorical.
Evidence keeps popping up, confirming Biblical history.
The case is getting stronger, not weaker.
But so does counter-propaganda...

 

[Extraneous]

I don't have any problem with evolution. It is stated unequivocally in the Bible. Science maintains that life began in the primordial oceans of the earth, and that's exactly where the Bible says life began, (Genesis 1:20). The Bible also says that creatures were later brought forth by the earth, (Genesis 1:24). I don't see where the inconsistency is ?! Except for religionists who insist some inconsistency must necessarily exist.

Many lies have some apparent truth in them. All false doctrines start out with truth, but it twists that truth. I believe ToE is just a fallible theory, and shouldn't be seen as anything more than that. We as Christians should see scripture as the only truth. In the end it will be Christ alone that matters. This world will be gone but Gods word endures forever.

 

[Extraneous]

Many things in the Bible have analogous aspects.
I think you mean allegory.
The Biblical history is not allegorical.
Evidence keeps popping up, confirming Biblical history.
The case is getting stronger, not weaker.
But so does counter-propaganda...

You're correct, thank you for making me see that.

 

[Extraneous]

Its going to be tough following the truth in these last days, as the bible has already said. Many false teachers will deceive many people. These teachers could possibly be seen as politicians and scientists, just as much as church leaders, in my opinion. The bible says that people will not endure sound doctrine any longer, but will turn their ears away from the truth. The truth is that we are commanded to be separate from the world which is holiness. We are not suppose to have agreement with the world. Its not our goal to find agreement with them. Its our goal to stay faithful to Christ.

 

[Hieronymus]

Its going to be tough following the truth in these last days, as the bible has already said. Many false teachers will deceive many people.

Yes, but it seems they prefer to be deceived, or at least, they choose to subscribe to ear tickling teachings.

These teachers could possibly be seen as politicians and scientists, just as much as church leaders, in my opinion.

Don't forget the big monopolistic media, the provide the platform to spread ideas.
Recently we've been fed pyramids again, by Morgan Freeman on National Geographic.

The bible says that people will not endure sound doctrine any longer, but will turn their ears away from the truth. The truth is that we are commanded to be separate from world which is holiness. We are not suppose to have agreement with the world. Its not our goal to find agreement with them. Its our goal to stay faithful to Christ.

But also to seek truth, test everything and shed light on it, expose lies, counter it with truth.
But as the Bible says, less and less people even want to hear it...
This hurts me.
Weŕe not gonna win this.

But who knows if there will be a wave of sanity.
But it will be temporary.

 

[Extraneous]

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To your number 3:

The theory of evolution makes no comment on the origins of life. It is concerned with the descent of species.

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Again, the theory of evolution says nothing about the origins of life, nor about the Big Bang.[/QUOTE]

It does have to do with the origins of man, and life. It says life evolved from one form into another, over millions of years. ToE posters play with words, their arguments are framed only to argue. They use a lot of nonsense to argue nonsense.

 

[Extraneous]

Yes, but it seems they prefer to be deceived, or at least, they choose to subscribe to ear tickling teachings.Don't forget the big monopolistic media, the provide the platform to spread ideas.
Recently we've been fed pyramids again, by Morgan Freeman on National Geographic.But also to seek truth, test everything and shed light on it, expose lies, counter it with truth.
But as the Bible says, less and less people even want to hear it...
This hurts me.
Weŕe not gonna win this.

But who knows if there will be a wave of sanity.
But it will be temporary.

The end times are not suppose to be easy. If we are looking for easy faith, we are looking for the wrong thing, i believe.

 

[Extraneous]

Of course you already know that, im speaking generally.

 

[Hieronymus]

The end times are not suppose to be easy. If we are looking for easy faith, we are looking for the wrong thing, i believe.

I know, and i'm tired of it too...
But we shouldn't give up shedding light on things.

 

[Extraneous]

Politics and Evolution theory, they both work the same way. They are truth mixed with error, and even lies. Thats why there will never be peace for the Christian in such things, at least not with their own brethren anyway. IT wil always be contentious. THis is why Christ says that he is the way truth and life. THis is why we are commanded to be separate from the world, and to have one mind. THe world will lead us astray from faithfulness to Christ. WE cant love both the world and Christ, and we must choose one or the other. We cant serve two masters. Anything worldly which divides us should be considered rubbish, and thrown out.