Hieronymus
Well-Known Member
- Jan 12, 2016
- 8,428
- 3,006
- 54
- Country
- Netherlands
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
I think we (RoJ and i) may mean different things when we say "science" in this case...
Upvote
0
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?
- Thread starter Senod2
- Start date
- Status
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
They are opposites, whenever it divide Christians over its theories. You see, its about having one mind, and this is very important. Anything that divides us is not according to sound doctrine.
Upvote
0
Hieronymus
Well-Known Member
- Jan 12, 2016
- 8,428
- 3,006
- 54
- Country
- Netherlands
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
Alright, fair enough, but then He's a liar.
But He is supernatural, so there goes your slogan...
Upvote
0
- Nov 21, 2008
- 53,563
- 12,020
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- SDA
- Marital Status
- Married
Faith -- and fact.
Blind faith evolutionism - is just junk science combined with 'wishful thinking' --
The Bible is right -- evolutionism is wrong.
In a discussion such as this "details matter".
And of course we already know - nobody designs or builds airplanes.
I think we have already heard this one before. How is this helping evolutionism?
Far beyond our "technology" to replicate --
He who designed that -- also designed heaven and has foretold the fact of the Rev 20 lake of fire.
"biology is the study of complicated things that appear to have been designed for a purpose.”
The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1.
Dawkins illustrates the point that a sufficiently talented “story teller” can spin a story to convince himself to ignore the observations in nature where we can see complicated biological systems that appear to have been designed for a purpose.
"biology is the study of complicated things that appear to have been designed for a purpose.”
Upvote
0
KWCrazy
Newbie
- Apr 13, 2009
- 7,229
- 1,993
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
Science is the study of the natural world; religion the supernatural. They only conflict when people forget that both exist and try to use science to disprove the supernatural.
Upvote
0
You have strange choices of words. I did NOT say TOE is infallible. All I said was, its true. The evidence proves it. You can trust the direct word of God, left behind in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes.
It's perfectly simple to prove the Bible supports evolution. The proof goes like this.
a) Evolution is true (scientifically proven)
b) The bible is infallible (faith based axiom)
c) Therefore the Bible supports evolution. An iron clad, absolutely logical proof. There is no flaw in this deduction.
I leave the detailed exegesis of the Bible to show it consistent with evolution as an exercise for the reader.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
First you say that you do not assert ToE is infallible, and then you say Gods word agrees with ToE? That's like saying Gods word is fallible just like ToE. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth friend, and that's the unfortunate result of having a divided mind. Having one mind as Paul teaches us is to mind Christ and Him alone. Thats the only way.
You see, if we have that oneness, then this means we don't add flawed scientific theory to it, or flawed politics either, or divided denominations. Politics and scientific theories are not only flawed but also very contentious and cause only division. They are flesh works not spirit works. The fact that they cause division, this alone proves that they are not of the spirit.
The spirit bears fruit, and these are contrary to flesh works such as contention and division. We cannot in truth say we are walking in the spirit if we have divisions among us, and that's a fact. There is only one answer to this dilemma, and that is to mind only spiritual things, i.e. to mind Christ and Him alone. Those who follow the spirit mind things of the spirit, and those who walk in the flesh mind things of the flesh. These two are always contrary to each other. That's what i keep trying to say here.
Upvote
0
I'm so sorry you don't like agreeing with evidence and logic. You speak of flawed scientific theory and you botch all attempts to cite flaws. You disagree with me with extreme language and assert I am being divisive. You accuse me of having a divided mind and the main problem is I don't agree with you. You see, if we agree to disagree, we can have that unity. If we agree to disagree, we can walk together in the Spirit.
But if you insist I have to stop seeing the truth in order to accept the truth, I will consider that to be . . . illogical and I won't go along with that.
If you wish to persuade me I am merely wrong about some facts that I accept to be true, then you need to stop botching your arguments against the science of evolution and start making sense.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
No that doesn't make sense. Any one can agree to disagree, and we can agree to disagree with atheists as well, but that's not unity, but rather is division. We are not suppose to be that way , because thats how the world works. We are instead commanded to be holy, and of one mind. WE do not have unity by agreeing to disagree. You are not understanding what unity is. Unity is one mind, undivided, in Christ alone. What you are preaching is a false doctrine, which promotes all false doctrine by giving it safe harbor if a false unification.
What im saying instead is that true unity is in Christ alone, without adding anything to Christ. Its the only thing that makes sense and the only thing that can put away all contention.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
Furthermore Paul of Eugene, this "logic" you speak of is mans wisdom, its not Gods word. There is a distinction. You are preaching a false doctrine. Why not use logic to instead see that holiness is not simply "agreeing to disagree". Any worldly person can do that. We are however commanded to be holy. We are different. We don't agree to disagree , but rather we always agree if we only have Christ alone. Adding anything to Christ is what causes division, and these things are a work of flesh not spirit. Division is carnal and flesh, not spirit.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
Does it make sense to agree to disagree, in a thousands threads, year after year, to no end? Is that what you call logical? I call that insanity, and illogical. Its like fighting a perpetual war that will never end.
Only Christ alone can bring true unity. Do you not see the logic in this? Surely you must see it.
Only Christ alone can bring true unity. Do you not see the logic in this? Surely you must see it.
Upvote
0
This makes no sense. I'm not going to paralyze my God given mind just to make you happy. I don't think you are going to do that either, are you? So the only way we can have unity and agreement is to agree to disagree, which is exactly what Paul of Tarsus said we should do. Sure, the exact dispute wasn't evolution it was over sabbath observance and eating meat . . . but the principle applies for other issues as well.
Its not as if you weren't completely wrong about evolution, after all.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
Did paul tell the Galatians to agree to disagree with the false teachers who wanted to circumcise them? No. Did he ever say we must agree to disagree? Never. Only when talking about weak brethren, and only over food restrictions and holy days, did paul ever call for tolerance. Those were biblical things though, ToE is not biblical at all. Im not asking you to paralyze your mind, im asking you to use it. See how illogical your argument is. Disagreement is worldly not spiritual. Paul is not telling us to "agree to disagree", but instead hes telling us to agree in all things, and hes saying that we must mind Christ and HIm alone in order to do this. You must crucify your worldly things that cause division. This is not to please me, but is the act of laying down your life for the brethren, just as Christ did for us, and as Paul did as well, leaving us that example.
You seem to be attempting to make me look petty and selfish, or perhaps you actually see it that way, but im simply preaching the word brother. Im preaching that we must all lay down our lives for each other. This doesnt mean we agree to disagree, but instead that we crucify anything that isnt Christ and Him alone, only in this way can we agree and have one mind, and one judgment, and have no divisions. What you are preaching is that we all just accept each other and our worldliness, instead of accepting Christ and him alone.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
I don't agree, Extraneous. Unity in the Spirit does not mean we are all to think alike; it means uniformity in diversity. It's the diversity part that you appear to be having trouble with. Christianity is not a monolithic religion, just one way. Christianity represents a rich plurality of diverse approaches. That's great, because it means we have a choice. If, say, one church doesn't work for you, you can go find another that maybe will. For example, you appear to be working out of a right-wing or conservative form of Christianity. OK, fine. Nothing wrong with that. If that meets your spiritual needs, that is the place for you to be. But not one church can meet everyone's spiritual, intellectual, and emotional needs. Not all Christians are on the right, nor can they be. I, for one, grew up in a conservative Christian church which I found stifling. So I moved way over to the left. There are three basic appeals to authority in Christianity. There is church-type Christianity, in which the church is ultimate authority. There is sect-type Christianity, in which the Bible is ultimate authority. There is mystical-type Christianity, ion which personal experience is the ultimate authority. It is pointless o argue which of teh three is the right or true church. The right church is the church or approach right for you, the type of Christianity that enables you to feel close to God. One God, many paths. Different strokes for different folks. The problem I have with many posts here is that they assume their church and their church alone is the one true one and so any fellow Christians who disagree are lost souls, ignorant, etc.
Upvote
0
Extraneous
Well-Known Member
Try your "agree to dissagre" argument over the creed
No, what you say appeals to the flesh not the spirit. You talk a lot about logic but fail to see how illogical it is to have all this diversity constantly arguing with itself. Year after year, the same arguments, never resolved. Its flesh not spirit, and its illogical as well. Its perpetual war, not peace. It only harbors false doctrine instead of exposing it. Your assertion doesn't agree with logic or scripture. You appeal to the flesh, not the spirit. I would ask that you reconsider your theology, because its nothing more than a harbor for the flesh.
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
No, what you say appeals to the flesh not the spirit. You talk a lot about logic but fail to see how illogical it is to have all this diversity constantly arguing with itself. Year after year, the same arguments, never resolved. Its flesh not spirit, and its illogical as well. Its perpetual war, not peace. It only harbors false doctrine instead of exposing it. Your assertion doesn't agree with logic or scripture. You appeal to the flesh, not the spirit. I would ask that you reconsider your theology, because its nothing more than a harbor for the flesh.
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
- Status
Similar threads
