Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Hieronymus]

God has made mans wisdom foolishness. Thats the reality we should be studying. Science is not knowledge of Christ. Christ is to die to this world. That's Christ.

You seem to pose a classic false dichotomy, suggesting science and God don't mix.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Science studies God's creation, you see.
God's handiwork is visible in God's creation.
God's creation IS God's handiwork.

 

[Extraneous]

I get the feeling youŕe just tired of this particular topic.
I can relate...
But it's what this topic is about, so we discuss it here.

Understandable, i am however discussing it from my own perspective.

 

[Extraneous]

You seem to pose a classic false dichotomy, suggesting science and God don't mix.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Science studies God's creation, you see.
God's handiwork is visible in God's creation.
God's creation IS God's handiwork.

Look, we have ToE verses Creationists, Democrats verses Republicans, Socialists verses Capitalists, RCC verses Protestants and its all an endless road of futile debate. Such futility. A circle of madness.... vanity of vanities sayeth the preacher.

Christ alone, its not popular, but its the only way to break free from that circle and find peace.

 

[KWCrazy]

Except, of course, where we learn there is a solid firmament over our heads that holds back the waters above, the earth rests on pillars, and that the sun, rather than the earth, stopped its movement as the cause of the long day for Joshua.

Water vapor is suspended in the atmosphere, The Bible doesn't state that the planet rest on pillars, and the sun stood still in the sky for a day. That was written from the point of view of someone on the earth at the time. Were they on the sun, it may have looked differently.

Unless, of course, it was dogs coming from wolves . . . . or new species of finches on isolated islands . . . or new strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria . . . . or all of life having common descent according to the flesh as proved by links in the DNA.

There was likely only one canine species represented on the ark, dogs are domesticated wolves, recently finding a rare species doesn't mean it wasn't there before you found it, mutated bacteria are called bacteria, adaptation is a conservative process which doesn't result in the formation of new information and the encoding of that information into the reproductive system. All living things have a common Creator.

Reality conflicts with your interpretation of scripture and you choose to deny reality instead of revise your interpretation; that is your call.

Please tell me which Baptist church teaches that the Scriptures do not reflect reality. I would be interested in hearing from your minister how he came to this conclusion and why he so readily discounts the word of the Lord to follow the opinions of naturalists who don't believe in either God or the supernatural. I expect atheists to trash the Scriptures and reject the truth of creation, but I don't generally expect that from my fellow Baptists. Have him message me. I'd love to hear his explanation.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

. . . . . If popular science is right, Jesus lied a lot.

That's not true. For example, I, who accept the evolution account of our origins, can also agree that "from the beginning God made us male and female." Because sexual specialization was established long before the first Mammal, even, so from the time humans evolved we were always male and female. So that's not a "lie" on the part of Jesus.

Jesus also said "Moses wrote of me". That's not even a claim that the first five books are from Moses. It does not prohibit accepting the documentary hypothesis.

Jesus also spoke of the days of Noah . . . but not in a manner that requires one to affirm or deny a global flood.

So what "lies" would accepting the reality we now know about cause us to ascribe to Jesus?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Water vapor is suspended in the atmosphere, The Bible doesn't state that the planet rest on pillars, and the sun stood still in the sky for a day. That was written from the point of view of someone on the earth at the time. Were they on the sun, it may have looked differently.

Easy for you to say. Corpernicus dreaded the publication of his book, knowing it would engender persecution; it was only published after he was on his deathbed. Clergymen of all denominations condemned the new teaching until finally they reconciled with language such as you use here. The same will occur with evolution, you are merely on the losing side of that, as Martin Luther was on the losing side about the rotation of the earth.

There was likely only one canine species represented on the ark

You just made that up. How can you possibly know?

dogs are domesticated wolves

See, evolution DOES occur!

recently finding a rare species doesn't mean it wasn't there before you found it

Why would even bother mentioning that? Are you denying the presence of new species being documented?

mutated bacteria are called bacteria

Are you asserting all bacteria are the same species?

adaptation is a conservative process which doesn't result in the formation of new information and the encoding of that information into the reproductive system.

Then in what way did adaptation take place, if there is no new information? That's a self refuting statement.

All living things have a common Creator.

Evolution IS one of God's methods of creation

 

[Root of Jesse]

Sorry, I reacted too soon in previous post.
I can appreciate you saying "the YEC story of Genesis is just untenable".
It's the universe that indeed does seem old, considering the speed of light and the humongous distances.
None the less, there are things that challenge the old age idea, phenomenon that simply don't fit an old age.
But that's why i suggest to browse my playlist, because mankind is still gathering relevant data and knowledge.

Iḿ sorry iḿ not able to make a case here myself, i leave that to those who can, and i share what they have to say about it.

Both sides have to work with the same scientific data, both sides try to make a case.
It can be hard to assess where the evidence itself actually leads to sometimes.
But we live in a fine tuned universe, and life is a miraculous phenomenon.
Dead unconscious things have no explanatory power, but God does.
This is obvious. (once you think about it).

If popular science is right, Jesus lied a lot.

I wasn't aware Jesus spoke of any science. Got any examples?

 

[Root of Jesse]

But it is secular science that discovered the universe is fine tuned.
It is also secular science that discovered DNA, and still gathers data and insights.

There were a lot of Catholic priests and Catholic lay that discovered the fine-tuned universe, too. The Big Bang was theorized by a Catholic priest, and Copernicus was a priest. Galileo, too, was Catholic. Let's not start on the Church and Galileo, though...

 

[Extraneous]

Evolution IS one of God's methods of creation

Such a bold and reckless statement. You say that a fallible man made theory (ToE) is infallible, therefore you make it equal to Gods word, which alone is infallible. You also say this fallible theory is how God created, and you make the error even bigger.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You seem to pose a classic false dichotomy, suggesting science and God don't mix.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Science studies God's creation, you see.
God's handiwork is visible in God's creation.
God's creation IS God's handiwork.

Right on.

 

[Extraneous]

There were a lot of Catholic priests and Catholic lay that discovered the fine-tuned universe, too. The Big Bang was theorized by a Catholic priest, and Copernicus was a priest. Galileo, too, was Catholic. Let's not start on the Church and Galileo, though...

Lets not start on any of it.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Look, we have ToE verses Creationists, Democrats verses Republicans, Socialists verses Capitalists, RCC verses Protestants and its all an endless road of futile debate. Such futility. A circle of madness.... vanity of vanities sayeth the preacher.

Christ alone, its not popular, but its the only way to break free from that circle and find peace.

I have great peace. I'm Catholic and not against anyone else's faith, Republican and don't hate Democrats, and believe that Evolution and Genesis 1 are compatible.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Such a bold and reckless statement. You say that a fallible man made theory (ToE) is infallible, therefore you make it equal to Gods word, which alone is infallible. You also say this fallible theory is how God created, and you make the error even bigger.

I don't think he said that any man-made theory was correct. I believe the same as him, but what we know so far doesn't add up right. Darwinism is wrong, though.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Lets not start on any of it.

The fact remains, which I was making...Science and religion are not opposites.

 

[Hieronymus]

I wasn't aware Jesus spoke of any science. Got any examples?

I think that's a disingenuous question.

 

[Hieronymus]

======forget it=========

 

[Hieronymus]

never mind, maybe my mistake.....

 

[Hieronymus]

The fact remains, which I was making...Science and religion are not opposites.

True.
However, naturalistic thinking and religion are.

 

[Extraneous]

I have great peace. I'm Catholic and not against anyone else's faith, Republican and don't hate Democrats, and believe that Evolution and Genesis 1 are compatible.

You have peace, but so do atheists, so that means nothing. Its a lack of knowledge on your part. I didn't study Catholicism, nor science, but i studied Paul's words. Those words taught me to put away division and have one mind which is Christ alone. This division over politics, denomination and even science, this is not one mind bro. You have peace because you're ignorant of sound doctrine. I almost envy you, because you sit in ease, while you put stumbling blocks in the way of others, and you dont even know it. However, i would rather see the truth, and bear a cross, than to not bear and be blind.

 

[Extraneous]

never mind, maybe my mistake.....

No hes agreeing with you about science, however it will still divide you.