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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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EastCoastRemnant

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Yes God can use even ungodly men to accomplish His purpose... the OT is full of examples.

What's your point?
 
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First, God could not possibly have been surprised about what happened after the fall. Jesus was after all crucified from the foundations of the world. I doubt God has feelings in the same way we have feelings. I agree God is a living personality and after all we are made in his image. But what you describe above isn't really addressing immutability.
 
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But he said he went to school and everything to be an authority for us... ... shouldn't that count for something?
 
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Yes, that is a good definition of Change, Papa. However, I have pointed out biblical passages where God's emotions change from what they were to another kind of emotion. Didn't I provide you an example from Malachi 3:5-7? Yes, God does persist in a fixity of purpose, and this is precisely why God changes. For example, God always seeks to maximize beauty. But what may be an appropriate kind of beauty in one situation may not be in another. God is always loving and enjoys an direct empathic response to any and all creaturely feeling. But God's feelings change as do those of the creatures. Think of yourself, for a moment. In my case, I have been a lifelong train buff and am immutable in that respect. But now that I have a real steam locomotive to operate, I have changed and am a very different train buff than I was twenty years ago. The same holds for God. God is a living personality, and a living personality is a synthesis of consistency and change.
 
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We could also understand the authors Character of Love and filter everything through it.... for the greatest of these is charity (love)
 
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So you agree that evolution is as much a religion of faith as Christianity then? Which, being the case, makes one an idol. You can't serve two masters...
 
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Papa, I am addressing immutability in the exact sense this term is used in theology and philosophy. The fact is , the Bible depicts God's feelings as changing, going from joy in creation to disappointment. Does God know the future ahead of time? This is a tricky issue. I don't believe in predestination, since it denies human freedom and makes God the author of evil. So, no, I don't think God definitely knows ahead of time what is going to happen. God does not decide for us. We have to make our own decisions, and the future is open-ended until we do so. Incidentally, there is more than one passage in the Bible that speak of God's knowledge of the future as iffy. I don't think predestination is a biblical doctrine.
 
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What an utterly blasphemous statement... "because I am, therefore God is also".. brother, you better have a good heart to heart with the Spirit for that.
 
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Absolutely incorrect, EastCoast, and somewhat insulting, I might add. The fact that both science and religion require leaps of faith at times does not mean they are the same thing. Also you seem to be using the term "religion" in some sort of pejorative sense. I find that irrational and also offensive. I earned by doctorate through the university's Department of Religion and Jewish Studies.
 
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Well, brother, EastCoast, maybe you should do a bit better job of studying theology. For one thing, the biblical model of God is a highly anthropomorphic one. For another, all knowing is basically analogous knowing. We generalize from the familiar to the unfamiliar. Now if there is one thing we are most familiar with, it is human existence. So unless there is an analogy, a genuine likeness between ourselves and the rest of reality , including God, we haven't got an inkling what's going on.
 
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Yes we do, EastCoast. You would know that if you had carefully studied the material you should have. The fact of evolution in no way denies Christ. In the Christian mystical tradition, evolution calls from Christ. That ios also true in the writings of Pere Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit and major 20-the century thinker.
 
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The theory of evolution says nothing about abiogenesis.
As I stated in a previous post, the position of this theory is ever changing...how convenient to drop aspects of the original theory which can easily be debunked... instead, just stick with examples of speciation, which is nothing special, and infer something greater by it... a very slick smoke and mirrors show.

How is this possible? By indoctrinating the young so they unquestioningly accept it.... in great numbers they hope to find legitimacy.... but in the end despair. Kinda reminds me of the third Reich...

... what was it Goebbels said...“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
 
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KW, you are going on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible, which insists it has to be an inerrant geophysical witness. That is one way of interpreting scripture, but it is not the only way. I look at Scripture and I look at science and I have concluded that God did not intend Scripture to be an accurate geophysical witness.
 
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In the Christian mystical tradition, evolution calls from Christ. That ios also true in the writings of Pere Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit and major 20-the century thinker.

That's tells me all I need to know about your POV... nice talking with ya.
 
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It's quite simple. Please read carefully.

The theory of evolution STARTS with an a priori understanding that life exists on this planet, however that life came to be.

It THEN presents an explanation of the manner in which that life diversified over time.

That's it. It doesn't matter whether life arose spontaneously, or came here as a result of a meteor strike, or your preferred option of s supernatural event. Evolution is what occurs AFTER that.
 
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Nice of you to be so dismissive of my life and what I've witnessed....
 
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