Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[Skellybones]

2. While performing so called white magic, my spells came true. EERIE

And this is a bad thing? What was it about/concerning?

1. Exodus 22:18-13 - Do not allow a sorceress to live.

Is it just me or is this madness?

 

[Lizquests]

It is a bad thing because when you are asking things to be done, it isn't by God that it is being done. It is asking, so called, other supernatural beings, to accomplish what you want done.

 

[ananar23]

Actually Lizquests its calling upon the elements in some cases. However, maybe they just think the spells are being answered by the configuration of elements; maybe its something darker. anyway, this is in no way condoning or condemning the pagan religion. it is a mere "what if" question. just speaking from past experiences.
God bless

 

[ananar23]

Uhhhh, that last post sounded very judgemental let me clarify before i get called the thread hypocrite....
when i was wiccan i used to invoke [primarily] elements during my rituals, and tried to stick to that. I was a strange combo of Dianic and Zoroastrianism eclecticism. Anyway, my question is basically how did i know that it was the elements my 'spells' were dependant on, or something deeper and stranger. That is a synopsis of what i was trying to say, ack, im going to bed
God bless....

 

[Havoc]

It is a bad thing because when you are asking things to be done, it isn't by God that it is being done. It is asking, so called, other supernatural beings, to accomplish what you want done.

We believe that it IS by God, and by Goddess that it is being done.

 

[Lizquests]

Actually Lizquests its calling upon the elements in some cases. However, maybe they just think the spells are being answered by the configuration of elements; maybe its something darker. anyway, this is in no way condoning or condemning the pagan religion. it is a mere "what if" question. just speaking from past experiences.
God bless

I know in some cases they do call upon the elements. What do the elements do? Nothing. Only God can decide what to do or not. Water can't make something happen, except maybe make your plants grow. LOL

 

[Lizquests]

We believe that it IS by God, and by Goddess that it is being done.

Well right there, stating "and by Goddess", there is no Goddess. Just God himself. He should be all that we need in our life, instead of calling upon something dark and evil. Satan wants us to think that we are doing good by doing this, but really all it is doing is ruining our relationship with God.

These are my beliefs based on what I have read.

 

[Havoc]

Well right there, stating "and by Goddess", there is no Goddess. Just God himself.

So you say. God tells me something quite different. He seems to think pretty highly of Goddess

He should be all that we need in our life, instead of calling upon something dark and evil.

I don't call on anything "dark and evil"

Satan wants us to think that we are doing good by doing this, but really all it is doing is ruining our relationship with God.

WEll I don't believe in Satan so what you believe he wants us to think really has no relevance to me. What I do does not ruin my relationship with God or Goddess, quite the opposite.

These are my beliefs based on what I have read.

Well you are entitled to your beliefs. Of course I believe much differently than you.

 

[Lizquests]

Just wondering and I am not asking this to be mean at all. Are you Christian? Read the Bible? If so, where does it state that there is a Goddess?

I also worded it wrong when saying that you call on evil. I don't believe you think that it is evil you are calling upon, but it is according to what I have read.

 

[ALL4J3SUS]

Parents read the Harry Potter books with their children, often without realizing they are exposing their children to the occult and demonic. Parents and teachers are thrilled because children who won’t read will devour Harry Potter books. They reassure themselves that since the books are make-believe and fantasy, they are harmless. Some believe the story of the battle between good and evil will benefit their children spiritually.



Satanists also delight in the battle between black magick and “good” white magic. Satanist Anton LaVey says in his Satanic Bible, "White magic is supposedly utilized only for good or unselfish purposes, and black magic, we are told, is used only for selfish or evil reasons. Satanism draws no such dividing line. Magic is magic, be it used to help or hinder." [The Satanic Bible, Page 51]

Satanists and those practicing the occult believe the world of fantasy is just as real, another dimension which only they are aware of. The occultist believes the fantasy world is more exciting and adventurous. They go there through astral travel and advanced visualization. In this dimension a demon host gives the Satanist a satisfying counterfeit experience entirely in the demonic realm. In the Harry Potter books young witches and wizards enter the world of fantasy through a portal and leave the boring world of muggles. The books take the reader along with them into the fantasy world of the Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft in the realm of the occult.

Order of the Phoenix continues the training and work of the young initiates in an occult order. It carefully aligns with real occult books written by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. They run the foremost school of witchcraft in the British Isles. The education of the young readers continues with bilocation, occlumency, shape-shifting, and dementors.

Fish won’t bite an empty fishhook. They will bite delicious-looking bait hiding the hook.

Imaginations got humans into trouble before in the days of Noah. The Harry Potter books are exquisitely written and the young actor in the movies handsome and talented, but the entrancement goes beyond the natural.

Wiccans and the Pagan Federation laud the Harry Potter books because they have greatly increased the influx of young people into witchcraft. Many children reading the books want to practice it in their lives. Games like Dungeons and Dragons open the door to the occult.

The Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey appeals to human’s natural sin nature. Parents wouldn’t let their impressionable children read that. Most parents do not know that occult imagery fills the Harry Potter books. Former Satanist -- now Born Again -- author, Cisco Wheeler recognizes the black magick rituals. Children caught up can be set up for contact by a spirit guide. Much of looks like Rowling’s vivid imagination comes from an old, obscure Luciferian book “The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosendreutz”. This book is the basis for the initiation rituals and imagery for a Luciferian secret society of practicing occultists. Only an adept in occultism and obscure Satanism would recognize many elements of the Harry Potter books. If parents read the books before they allow their children to, they still have no idea the books show their children the way to the advanced level of witchcraft, the transmutation of the soul.

Symbols in the books later activate a subliminal conditioned response. The phoenix is one sign of the secret orders and the initiates of the ancient world. Most occultists believe the phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer cast down in flames who will rise again. One former New Age occultist said of the symbols that Satan had the key to her lock.

Teachers and parents would not be thrilled if a child who will not eat devours sweet-tasting poison. They surely would not deliberately spoon feed it to them.


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[Lizquests]

Good post All4Jesus. Thanks!

 

[Myah]

The subject of Harry Potter is on another thread and has been beaten over and over again. May I ask what is wrong with children having imaginations? Just because my niece has a invisible lion-friend named Aslan doesn't mean it's evil.

As for AD&D, it's a GAME. My sister in law, who is a fervent Baptist is a DM, as is my brother. A game, nothing more.

In my opinion, you are giving books and games far too much credit.

 

[Havoc]

Parents read the Harry Potter books with their children, often without realizing they are exposing their children to the occult and demonic.... Wiccans and the Pagan Federation laud the Harry Potter books because they have greatly increased the influx of young people into witchcraft. Many children reading the books want to practice it in their lives. Games like Dungeons and Dragons open the door to the occult.

This is nothing more than drivel written by someone who must have an enemy, and will make one if needed.

HP no more resembles wicca or real Witchcraft than does Archie Comics. The thing that opens up Children to Witchcraft is the false witness of people who need to lie about other religions in a feeble attempt to make their own look better.

 

[Havoc]

Just wondering and I am not asking this to be mean at all. Are you Christian? Read the Bible? If so, where does it state that there is a Goddess?

I am not a Christian, I am a Witch. I do read the Bible on occasion, and have studied it extensively in the past, but I consider it to be a religious text rather than a reflection of "absolute truth"

I also worded it wrong when saying that you call on evil. I don't believe you think that it is evil you are calling upon, but it is according to what I have read.

Thank you for the clarification, I respectfully disagree with what you have read.

 

[LastMaxim]

Deception? Nature doesn't decieve. Pastors, televangelists, and Hovind
deceive. Their is much to learn from the Creator in nature, yet most
are blinded to it.

Quite right...err mostly...now let's get the full picture...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Rom 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

 

[Havoc]

I'm afraid that's not very helpful unless you happen to already believe in the veracity of your Bible

 

[LastMaxim]

The subject of Harry Potter is on another thread and has been beaten over and over again. May I ask what is wrong with children having imaginations? Just because my niece has a invisible lion-friend named Aslan doesn't mean it's evil.

As for AD&D, it's a GAME. My sister in law, who is a fervent Baptist is a DM, as is my brother. A game, nothing more.

In my opinion, you are giving books and games far too much credit.

My turn to 'sigh'...when invisible friends actually start to talk back (and it's not due to a mental illness ), what then? I'm guessing most supporters of other religions, apart from the Bible, will think this would be a great thing, perhaps since a 'helpful spirit' has been reached...but to the Christian, it means that contact has been made with the demonic. I've seen stuff like this happen all too frequently. Once a child opens themselves up to this 'friend', the 'friend' is then allowed a good deal of influence in that child's life. No matter how 'nice' the 'friend' may seem, just confront it with God, with the Name of Jesus, and you'd see a different aspect of the thing's nature...

Now, games are a different matter al together, though they can have just as dire consequences. Our thought life is not so separate a thing as we are usually told it is. Jesus himself made some interesting statements about our 'thought life'. This too can open oneself up to the demonic realm. I actually had this happen, and it was very hard to remove that influence once it was there. The main problem was figuring out it WAS a problem in the first place...after all, "it's only a game"...I'm not saying games themselves are 'evil', but it's helpful to look at what the foundations of the game are based upon. For instance AD&D is based upon, among other things, the use of 'magic' (in various forms, from 'spells, to magically endowed objects, etc) to over some one's problems. This sets a dangerious precidence, since it makes some wonder if it might not apply in the 'real world', and so draws them toward such persuits, and the ones who grant power through these means. Now, I'll readily say that this doesn't happen to many who 'play games' like these, but it does happen to a great many who do. AD&D can easily be grouped with other occultic items that have made their way into our society these days as excepted everyday things. Just because it's common, doesn't mean it's right, or good. Many people have had their lives opened up to the demonic through games/objects like these, whether they 'believed' it or not...

I'm afraid that's not very helpful unless you happen to already believe in the veracity of your Bible

...nor does it remove it's veracity because you question it ...

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Thanks you for your post there, but there are threads on those matters (where demonic influence comes from, Harry Potter, AD&D, and all that you're covering in your post) elsewhere. I would very respectfully ask you not to off-track us here with this post when you've got at least 5 other threads to discuss these matters in. Thank you.

 

[LastMaxim]

Quite right..I couldn't get the 'off topic' smiley to work ...

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]