Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[gaijin178]

Can't we all just get along?! LOL This is too funny!

 

[Shekinahs]

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Ok that just got reported.

 

[Shekinahs]

A Voodoo practitioner who casts spells is a Witch. A Wiccan who lights a candle to bring more love into her life is a Witch. There can, indeed, be Christian "Witches."

Yep yep

 

[Maria Mante]

God may have some different names, but doesn't have different histories or natures. The god of Islam is not the God of heaven. I don't know what other gods you might be talking about, but if you can think of an example, I'd like to hear it.

Did you even read what I said? Look at it this way:

God created so many different kinds of people, why would he allow only one way to serve him?

 

[Maria Mante]

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How many people want to bet he won't even come back to this thread?

 

[Maria Mante]

This death threat makes me uneasy and even less likely to ever become a member of a heartless faith like yours.

Why are you so ready to believe that all of us are that way?

 

[gaijin178]

Did you even read what I said? Look at it this way:

God created so many different kinds of people, why would he allow only one way to serve him?

I like your thinking!

 

[Skellybones]

[noflame]

 

[gaijin178]

This is very interesting, everyone is in fear of things that they don't know or truely understand. That is why people hate others, out of fear. That is why someone would mention the idea of burning someone for being a witch, because of fear.

 

[Smilin]

What's been missing from these conversations, and still is missing, is what the BIBLE means by "witch." What does the Bible mean when it says "witch"? I've seen a lot of people spouting off about what the word means, but I don't see anything from your holy book to back it up yet.

I've posed the same question many times within these conversation,
to no avail. Noone, yet, has defined what the Biblical Witch and Witchcraft
mean....

I've posed the same question to another forum, and all they can do is
ham around about it.

My guess is, they (Christians) can't define what their Bible condemns.

 

[Smilin]

God created so many different kinds of people, why would he allow only one way to serve him?

Exactly. (and nice point). Most Traditional Native Americans walk
'The Red Road' which makes this specific point. There are many paths
to the Creator. Our religious journeys are personal ones, which in
most cases is chosen for us. All of the Creation is sacred, and holds
many truths which most are blind to.

 

[Annabel Lee]

[noflame]

 

[Maria Mante]

I've posed the same question many times within these conversation,
to no avail. Noone, yet, has defined what the Biblical Witch and Witchcraft
mean....

My guess is, they (Christians) can't define what their Bible condemns.

Well, I can give my theory. I think the Bible is talking about Demon worshipping.

Thats why I don't condemn Wiccans. They don't do half the things that people claim they do. And how can they worship something they don't believe in?

 

[Lizquests]

This is very interesting, everyone is in fear of things that they don't know or truely understand. That is why people hate others, out of fear. That is why someone would mention the idea of burning someone for being a witch, because of fear.

I don't have a fear of witches or the such, because I used to do it. I don't mean stupid little things either. Things that did actually happen. I think that a lot of the frustration comes from Christians worrying about other people souls. I know that I have become so upset (which I am trying to stop) with someone cuz I have become afraid for them. I remember people used to preach and preach to me. I wouldn't ever listen to them because I thought that what I was doing was good! I was very wrong with that.

 

[Lizquests]

I wanted to share w/ all of you something that I found written by Diane S. Dew:


I. All forms of the occult - divination, necromancy, astrology, hypnotism, fortune-telling, magic, etc. - are forbidden by God.
A. Leviticus 19:26-18, 31; 20:6, 27
B. Deuteronomy 18:9-14
C. 2 Kings 23:24
D. Jeremiah 10:2

II. Interest in the occult is not a recent development.
A. Witchcraft was openly and widely practiced in Old Testament times.

Isaiah 8:19; 19:3; 29:4
Ezekiel 21:21
Hosea 4:12
Micah 3:6-7; 5:12

B. It was still rampant in the early church.

1. Simon the magician Acts 8:9, 11
2. Elymas the sorcerer. Acts 13:8
3. The girl at Philippi. Acts 16:16
4. The city of Ephesus. Acts 19:19

C. The Word of God testifies that there will be an increased curiosity in the occult in the latter days.

1 Timothy 4:1, etc.

III. What force or power is at work in the supernatural manifestations of the occult?

A. The teachings of spiritism are doctrines of demons!

1 Timothy 4:1

B. Not all miracles are of God. Satan can also perform lying signs and wonders.

Exodus 7:9-12; 8-7; 17-19
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
Matthew 24:24
Mark 13:22
2 Thessalonians 2:9
Revelation 13:13-14, 16:14; 19:20

C. Occult involvement may lead to demon possession.

Acts 13:8, 10 (Paul called the magician a "child of the devil!"

D. Scripture says that they "sold their souls" to the devil by their occult practices!

2 Kings 17:17

IV. The Bible clearly states that it is in the realm of deception that these workers of iniquity operate.

Jeremiah 14:14; 27:9-19; 29:8-9
Zechariah 10:2
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
Revelation 18:23b

A. It is true that fortune tellers can reveal much (see Exodus 7:9-12; 8:7; Daniel 1:20); but their power is limited. (Exodus 8:17-19; Danile 2:2, 10, 27; 4:7; 5:7-8, 15).

B. God challenged the pople to see if the power of their astrologers was greater than that of God.

Isaiah 47:12-14

V. What are the consequences for involvement in the occult?

A. Under the Law (Old Testament), the punishment was death by stoning.

Exodus 22:18
Leviticus 20:27
Deuteronomy 13:5

B. Saul died because he participated in a seance (1 Samuel chapter 28), and the kingdom was taken from him (1 Chronicles 10:13-14).

C. Those guilty of practicing witchcraft shall have no peace (2 Kings 9:22; Isaiah 57:20-21), and they shall not escape judgement (Malachi 3:5).

D. Their souls shall be rejected by God.

Leviticus 20:6
2 Kings 17:17
Isaiah 2:6

E. They shall be refused entrance into the kingdom (Galatians 5:19-21), and their end shall be the lake of fire. (Revelation 21:8; 22:14-15).

VI. Is it really that serious an offense?

A. In scripture, witchcraft is paralleled to rebellion (disobedience) against God.

1 Samuel 15:23

B. God says it is an abomination in His sight.
Deuteronomy 18:9-14

C. God says they "sold their souls" to the devil by their divination.
2 Kings 17:17

D. It is not only spiritually defiling (Leviticus 19:31); but it has a bad influence on others as well.

E. It greatly displeases and angers God.
2 Kings 21:5-6
2 Chronicles 33:6

VII. Christians must separate themselves from black magic, and they must destroy all evidence of their former involvement in the occult.

Acts 19:19

A. In faithfulness to God, the land was ridded of all mediums and spiritists.
1 Samuel 28:3, 9
2 Kings 23:24

B. Those who "repented not" of their sorceries will be subjected to further torment in judgment.

Revelation 9:20; 16:9

I pray that anyone involved in this will SERIOUSLY think about this and not guff it off right away. Try to have an open mind and investigate some of this that I have provided.

God Bless you!

 

[Smilin]

Well, I can give my theory. I think the Bible is talking about Demon worshipping.

And as you pointed out, modern witches don't believe in demons or Satan.
If your thoughts are true, the Biblical rules don't apply to them do they?

And there were political motives as well:

source: http://witches.monstrous.com/origins_of_witchcraft.htm


Death and misery

The Witch Craze is a consequence of the great social and economic trouble of the times. Epidemics, wars, hunger that brought death, pain and misery to the population had to be explained one way or the other. For the Church and the countrypeople, it was the Devil and its disciples who were responsible for such events. The Crusade of the Pastoureaux in France brought thousands of children to Bourges where most have been executed. The Black Plague in 1348 triggers an outburst of witchcraft in Provence and especially in the Queyras. Then we found other examples as the religion wars in the XVIth, the Jacquerie of the “va-nus-pieds” (barefoot from the nickname of the leader, Jacques va-nus-pieds) in Normandy in 1639.


Witchcraft began to be regarded as evil when the Church becomes the official cult in Europe. Monotheism does not tolerate other gods and divinities than the one they prey and soon Christian priests and monks tried to eradicate religious beliefs that were not part of the Church. Witches and wizards were soon considered by Christian priests as dangerous rivals. But if magic meant collusion with the devil, it was precisely the elaboration of this devil-doctrine by the great theologians of the Middle Ages, which caused the appalling witch-massacres of the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries.

The story of Joan of Arc, the Maid of Orleans, is a clear example of what motivated many accusations of witchcraft over the centuries.
Joan of Arc (or Jeanne d'Arc), the national hero of France who was later canonized a Catholic saint in 1920, had visions from God and led the army of the French against the English and their allies in the 15th century, successfully capturing the city of Orleans. However, she was eventually wounded in battle, captured by traitors, and turned over to the enemy. The English enemy, fearing her popularity with the French peasantry, tried Joan of Arc as a heretic and a witch after first brutalizing her in jail. All this was done under the power of an ecclesiastical court with the authority of the Church. Like thousands of other victims to come, she was burned at the stake for witchcraft in 1431. She died in Rouen as a sorceress and a heretic, but twenty-five years after her execution, Joan of Arc was pronounced innocent of the charges.


There is overwhelming evidence that politics and power dictated the
labeling and execution for those found guilty of being a witch. Additionally,
when one analyzes the agenda of the early Christian church to convert
or execute all who worshipped differently, there is additional evidence
the Bible was skewed in it's translation to facilitate the political agendas
of the times.

 

[Lizquests]

For a biblical definition of witchcraft: Witchcraft is paralleled to rebellion/disobedience against God.

 

[Smilin]

For a biblical definition of witchcraft: Witchcraft is paralleled to rebellion/disobedience against God.

hmmmm....that is more inclusive than simply casting spells, mixing healing
herbs, aroma therepy, meditation, hypnosis, and consulting the dead
which others have suggested.

So, witchcraft is simply rebellion/disobedience?
Therefore, breaking any of God's commandments is disobedience
and would classify the offender as a practicer of witchcraft.

It's just my hunch, but I don't think this is what the writers of the
Bible were referring to....

Just my hunch.

 

[Rae]

Rae said to begin with:
This death threat makes me uneasy and even less likely to ever become a member of a heartless faith like yours.

Maria responded:
Why are you so ready to believe that all of us are that way?

Rae:
I didn't say "all of you." I said I was even less likely to join Aaron's heartless faith, which is at best an extremist right-wing sect of Christianity, after his death threat against me and those I love. I doubt you believe that I should be murdered for being of a non-Christian faith. Unless you do, you are not included in my statement above.

 

[Havoc]

I wanted to share w/ all of you something that I found written by Diane S. Dew:....
....I pray that anyone involved in this will SERIOUSLY think about this and not guff it off right away. Try to have an open mind and investigate some of this that I have provided.

God Bless you!

What you have provided us is a bunch of Bible verses that will only be meaningful if one already believes the Bible. If one alreday believes the Bible one is unlikely to be involved in Witchcraft.

Where Bible verses are concerned investigation is unlikely to be much help since it's not possible to hold a meaningful, unbiased investigation based on such.