Why do Christians hate the theory of evolution?

[Bluelion]

By all means, please tell us again how you are not implying that theistic evolutionists are unsaved. If you substitute "evolution" into "teaching things contrary" you end up suggesting that evolutionists ...

1. cause divisions
2. upset people’s faith
3. not serving Christ our Lord
4. serving their own personal interests
5. smooth talking
6. glowing words
7. deceive innocent people
8. (in contrary to those who are) obedient to the Lord

But by all means! Don't let anyone falsely accuse you of causing division within a family! You are the victim here.

Look take it up with God He said it.

 

[JGiddings]

Rom 16:17

17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19 But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[g] be with you.

Definitely a wonderful passage!
You didn't answer my question.

 

[Sayre]

Too bad that verse is about gnosticism, not evolution.

 

[Bluelion]

Definitely a wonderful passage!
You didn't answer my question.

Yeah I did that is my view.

 

[JGiddings]

Yeah I did that is my view.

No sir you didn't.
A direct answer please if you will.
No one has actually directly answered this question.
Yes? or No?
I'm very curious. Don't get all uptight, I'm not accusing you of anything.
I want honest discussion instead of us slinging things at each other.

 

[Sayre]

The question still is not answered.

What kind of death occurred on the day (yom) of the fall? The word for "death" in Gen 2:17 (God warning against eating the fruit) is the same word for death in Gen 5:5 (Adam's death).

What kind of death did Adam suffer that day and how does it not cause a contradiction according to a literalistic (remaining literal to the definition of yom (day) and death) interpretation of Genesis?

One must be clear about what death they mean if they want to state that evolution contradicts the bible because death (this undefined concept) did not occur until after the fall, whereas evolution has it occurring continuously.

 

[Bluelion]

Too bad that verse is about gnosticism, not evolution.

I don't believe that is what it says let me look oh I am well aware of the context you think maybe that verse still applies to day or we can just write it off because no one really teaches that today?


17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19 But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[g] be with you.

It says teaching things contrary to what you have been taught Is evolution not doing that, so wow It fits in today's world too. What about Buddhism well it fits with that too.

 

[Sayre]

I would also ask for direct (yes or no) confirmation from BlueLion that evolution means the person is not serving the Lord - as is directly implied by post 421. No evading.

 

[Bluelion]

The question still is not answered.

What kind of death occurred on the day (yom) of the fall? The word for "death" in Gen 2:17 (God warning against eating the fruit) is the same word for death in Gen 5:5 (Adam's death).

What kind of death did Adam suffer that day and how does it not cause a contradiction according to a literalistic (remaining literal to the definition of yom (day) and death) interpretation of Genesis?

One must be clear about what death they mean if they want to state that evolution contradicts the bible because death (this undefined concept) did not occur until after the fall, whereas evolution has it occurring continuously.

already address this go back a page

 

[Bluelion]

The question still is not answered.

What kind of death occurred on the day (yom) of the fall? The word for "death" in Gen 2:17 (God warning against eating the fruit) is the same word for death in Gen 5:5 (Adam's death).

What kind of death did Adam suffer that day and how does it not cause a contradiction according to a literalistic (remaining literal to the definition of yom (day) and death) interpretation of Genesis?

One must be clear about what death they mean if they want to state that evolution contradicts the bible because death (this undefined concept) did not occur until after the fall, whereas evolution has it occurring continuously.

I'll answer it this way.

Rom 5

12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. 13 Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break. 14 Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. Now Adam is a symbol, a representation of Christ, who was yet to come. 15 But there is a great difference between Adam’s sin and God’s gracious gift. For the sin of this one man, Adam, brought death to many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of forgiveness to many through this other man, Jesus Christ. 16 And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.

 

[Bluelion]

I would also ask for direct (yes or no) confirmation from BlueLion that evolution means the person is not serving the Lord - as is directly implied by post 421. No evading.

well thank you for asking but no I don't speak to a persons services to God. At the end God will reveal who are His and who are not.

 

[Sayre]

already address this go back a page

No you absolutely have not.

If Adam "began to die" after he ate the fruit, then did he also "begin to die" in Gen 5:5?

It is the SAME word.

The text in Ge 2:17 says on that day (yom). Do you think one yom is 930 years?

 

[Sayre]

well thank you for asking but no I don't speak to a persons services to God. At the end God will reveal who are His and who are not.

Then why did you imply it and then confirm it in your posts?

 

[Bluelion]

No you absolutely have not.

If Adam "began to die" after he ate the fruit, then did he also "begin to die" in Gen 5:5?

It is the SAME word.

The text in Ge 2:17 says on that day (yom). Do you think one yom is 930 years?

post 409 and 430

 

[Sayre]

How can you make these posts, and imply that evolution is a valid subject matter for those verses, and then play innocent and suggest you aren't implying that evolutionists don't serve the Lord.

Look take it up with God He said it.

I don't believe that is what it says let me look oh I am well aware of the context you think maybe that verse still applies to day or we can just write it off because no one really teaches that today?


17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19 But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[g] be with you.

It says teaching things contrary to what you have been taught Is evolution not doing that, so wow It fits in today's world too. What about Buddhism well it fits with that too.

Back to the Op what is wrong with evolution well Paul says it best

Rom 16:17

17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19 But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[g] be with you.

and that is what is wrong with that doctrine of evolution.


I'll start quoting the Bible in every thing sense i have been accused of everything under the sun.

Rom 16:17

17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people. 19 But everyone knows that you are obedient to the Lord. This makes me very happy. I want you to be wise in doing right and to stay innocent of any wrong. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus[g] be with you.

 

[Bluelion]

Then why did you imply it and then confirm it in your posts?

Like i said you can not tell me what I implied it is subjective. so me where give me the number i'll look, I think you are mistaken

 

[Bluelion]

and round and round we go, hey maybe I can just stop post and others can post for me sense they know better than me what I am saying.

 

[Bluelion]

How can you make these posts, and imply that evolution is a valid subject matter for those verses, and then play innocent and suggest you aren't implying that evolutionists don't serve the Lord.

Like I said if you take issue with it it is Gods word take it up with him.

 

[Bluelion]

do you feel convicted?

 

[Sayre]

Here is my question:

No you absolutely have not.

If Adam "began to die" after he ate the fruit, then did he also "begin to die" in Gen 5:5?

It is the SAME word.

The text in Ge 2:17 says on that day (yom). Do you think one yom is 930 years?

Your replies:

I'll answer it this way.

Rom 5

12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. 13 Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break. 14 Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. Now Adam is a symbol, a representation of Christ, who was yet to come. 15 But there is a great difference between Adam’s sin and God’s gracious gift. For the sin of this one man, Adam, brought death to many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of forgiveness to many through this other man, Jesus Christ. 16 And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.

You and I both have a different interpretation of these verses - otherwise we'd agree on evolution. Scripture must be interpreted. So what is your interpretation of these verses and how does it help us define the death that Adam suffered on the day of the fall? What is the definition of death in verse 12? You are just regressing the problem to a different set of verses.

The literal death he died then was spiritual right there, and his body passed from a state of life to a state of death. The plenty of sin is death, sin is what causes are bodies to give out, Sin is what caused Adams body to die. What died that day was his life though the body was not completely dead it was no longer the body which God had first created. It literally died that body, The body of life and passed to a body of death.

WHy is that so hard to understand? I realize your whole argument hangs on it. The fact is there was no death, not even animals died, the first animals died when God made clothes for Adam, the sacrifice was made, death enter the world through Adam, the cruses came about. least said all this.

We agree on spiritual death.

If you want to say that death = passing from "...a state of life to a state of death" that's just a truism and still doesn't define death!

And then later you say that "What died that day was his life though the body was not completely dead it was no longer the body which God had first created. It literally died that body, The body of life and passed to a body of death.:

If you say that the hebrew word for death doesn't mean completely dead, does this mean Adam didn't completely die in Gen 5:5? How was Adam's body different after he ate the fruit to before he ate the fruit? What does "It literally died that body" mean???

Please give more information about what this "death" is that you speak of.

And why didn't Eve also die that day? What changed in Eve's body?