Why didn't this explode ?

[WarEagle]

Or you're just being artfully inconsistent.

OK. Go ahead and make your stupid false accusations.

I trust that anyone reading this post will see that I did not say that it's worse when a Roman Catholic does it.

 

[Snowbunny]

Okay

 

[Rhamiel]

Snowbunny, I am sorry you are being maligned, we know you are a good person, you have made the most sense out of anyone on this thread

 

[MCGar]

The key word here being "I would think". You may think so, but they are not.

We have to go through examination and accountability that is would be unheard of for a Roman Catholic priest.

There are so many checks and balances, that concealing such a thing would be nearly impossible.

I don't want to speak for Snowbunny but I think she was responding to the statement that you made about examination and accountability being unheard of for a Catholic priest. Anyone reading that could come away with, "wow, he's making like those preachers are better than our priests. Either way both have pedophiles hiding among the ranks."

WarEagle I find your posts very interesting but whether you mean it or not many statements you make come off as passive-aggressive snipes and tauntings. Obviously the internet is not the best at conveying emotion or intent but now that I've let you in on how your postings come across as, maybe in Christian fellowship you could alter how you post? Especially if it's not your intent to come off this way?

 

[Snowbunny]

Perhaps in the interests of Christian fellowship WarEagle could categorically state that he believes Roman Catholics are Christians and that he believes Roman Catholics are (presently) saved. That way we can be assured at a base level we are speaking with somebody who considers us brothers and sisters.

But getting back to the issue at hand, I really do not believe this thread is a good idea. It seems to be predicated on one of two really bad ideas "protestant are just as pedophilic" or "the news doesn't report this stuff!" if it's the first that's just patently offensive, if the second it's wrong on it's face given the article from ABC.

Because of the persistent presence of non OBOB members I think this would only lead to debate and flaming...

 

[helenofbritain]

Just reminding everyone to think before they post... play nicely or leave the sandpit, children.

 

[helenofbritain]

Perhaps in the interests of Christian fellowship WarEagle could categorically state that he believes Roman Catholics are Christians and that he believes Roman Catholics are (presently) saved. That way we can be assured at a base level we are speaking with somebody who considers us brothers and sisters.

???

 

[Snowbunny]

???

MCGar's post asked him to do something in the interest of Christian fellowship. First we need to make certain he believes it applies here. I don't mean to be coy, I've run across this poster many times and many of his previous posts intimate he doesn't think we're Christians. Clarification about this would be nice. If I'm mistaken I apologize, if I'm right then he has no business here.

 

[WarEagle]

I don't want to speak for Snowbunny...

But you're going to, anyway.

Either way both have pedophiles hiding among the ranks."

And I stated exactly that.

WarEagle I find your posts very interesting but whether you mean it or not many statements you make come off as passive-aggressive snipes and tauntings.

Fine. Name one.

It's easy to accuse somebody, but can you back it up?

 

[MCGar]

But you're going to, anyway.



And I stated exactly that.



Fine. Name one.

It's easy to accuse somebody, but can you back it up?

WarEagle, I'm not trying to attack you. I hope you know that.

As for the posts that come across as passive-aggressive snipes, I will be honest and tell you that every single one of your posts come across that way. But that doesn't mean you are being that way, "it just comes across like that."

I didn't speak for Snowbunny, if I did, then my post would have started, "Snowbunny means this and that." instead I guessed at her meaning and shared with you what I thought she meant. I was speaking for myself. Honest.

Please, this thread has wandered off into the great beyond. All I wanted to clear up is that both priests and non-Catholic preachers go through examination and accountability that is not unheard of. There are still people that fall through the cracks.

Are we ok now?

 

[WarEagle]

As for the posts that come across as passive-aggressive snipes, I will be honest and tell you that every single one of your posts come across that way.

And yet, you can't even give one example.

 

[Rhamiel]

Yes we can back it up, this is very passive aggressive

Fine. Name one.

It's easy to accuse somebody, but can you back it up?

issuing a "challange" (your words) to us Catholics like you did in that thread you started could also be seen as passive-aggressive
or maybe we are just going into aggressive-aggressive, I have seen you around before and you really have a love of the Bible and our Lord but you seem to always pick fights with Catholics, you don't have to fight with us, we all love Christ and our relationship with eachother should not be so bellicose

 

[MCGar]

WarEagle, I give all of your posts (in OBOB) as an example. Please re-look over all of them from our perspective. I'm not accusing you of trying to be this way, I'm just saying that it's hard for us to percieve your posts in any other way.

 

[Rhamiel]

W.E. if you are going to be rude to the members of this forum I will have to ask you to leave, I can not make you leave but if you are going to act like this I wish you would.
If you stop being rude then I hope you stay, you can ask questions in goodfaith and you can have fellowship with us but you can not debate and you can not attack people here,MCGar was being very generous to you and informed you that some of your posts sound hostil and you might want to reword your future posts, I would take her advise

 

[BAFRIEND]

Get back to the topic.

WarEagle is non-Catholic and I don't feel he should address his beliefs on Catholics or be asked too.

I am still seeking opinions on why the RCC can't shake this and whe the protestant scandals have been swept or ignored by the media.

 

[Snowbunny]

Get back to the topic.

WarEagle is non-Catholic and I don't feel he should address his beliefs on Catholics or be asked too.

I am still seeking opinions on why the RCC can't shake this and whe the protestant scandals have been swept or ignored by the media.

While I agree about WarEagle, this thread is only going to attract people like him. Perhaps it would have been wise to have really clarified in that first post that you are talking about media hypocrisy rather than Protestant sex scandals. About the media issue... I don't think we should think about the media, it makes us reactive rather than proactive. The Church and the Catholics do things because of Christ, not fair or unfair public opinion.

St. John of Damascus debated the emir of Damascus in the presence of the muslims in all their might and glory without any regard for their opinions of him. St. Paul the Apostle went to Greece and taught about the life of Jesus without any regard of the public opinion of him and the ridicule he experienced. These are our examples.

Besides, the ABC report is almost exclusively about what happened in Protestant Churches... the tone is severely anti Christian and I don't think they are being fair to Protestants at all. How can we say it's not as evenhanded when we see the report from ABC?

I think the media has an agenda to sell papers with shocking headlines, to the detriment (in this instance) of all Christians. It's not a good time to think about this denominationally.

Dominus vobiscum

 

[geocajun]

I think part of the reason is that protestant ministers don't teach that they are acting in the person of God, or that they are specially configured to God in a way that the average lay person isn't.

I think when someone teaches another these things about themselves, and then goes on to molest you or your children, the crime takes on a special significance that it would not have had if the victim didn't believe these things to be true about the person assaulting them. ergo, the scandal is far more shocking. Consider with that, the cover ups and perceived general lack of care within the hierarchy, and I think it is easy to understand why folks were more outraged by catholic priests molesting kids than someone else doing it.

 

[stivvy]

....Or you're just being artfully inconsistent.

Noooo, not WarIggle. Why would he be that way against the One True Faith?

 

[Snowbunny]

Let's let the WarEagle issue drop. He said (in the reports) he was going to leave us alone, so let that be the end of it.

 

[DedicatedLittleFaith]

And this post will be reported in 3..2..1...

And he was correct. His post was reported and it was uncalled for.

Ok people, either you go study the true meaning of the word debate or you let the mod team take care of things.

There have been spiteful reports going on for the past 24 hours and you are driving us insane.

PLEASE! Think before you hit that button!