Why did Yahshua Come?

[SkyWriting]

In fact, Paul taught almost exclusively from scripture, in other words, the TaNaK, and scripture that the Pharisees rejected from their Canon.Why most Christians follow the Canon of the Pharisees, instead of all the scripture that Yahshua and his disciples taught from, is another subject. I should probably start a thread on that too.

I cover here where I discovered that scripture is not required for salvation.
Sep 7, 2021#10
I'm sure it has other value for people ---- who happen to have a copy of it and can read.

 

[HARK!]

Which evil are we discussing?

Sin.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sin.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

So lets define what sin is:

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Genesis 4:7
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. (Ex. If you lie, you become a slave to that lie)

James 1:14
But each person is tempted when he is lured (away from doing what he feels is right) and enticed by his own desire.

What Does the Bible Say About Sin?

 

[Fervent]

Do you mean adding commentary to Paul's commentary?

When Paul wrote that letter; he didn't consider it to be scripture. What he considered to be scripture can be found in the TaNaK.

I ask you again, which of the 8 laws that I listed, which are found in that letter, do you suppose that Paul is saying that we are released from?

Hint: If you believe that Paul is releasing us from the Law of YHWH, that Yahshua spent his entire ministry preaching; you might want to guess again.

Now you take away, denying that it is even Scripture? It doesn't matter if Paul thought it to be Scripture, it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yet here you add to it commentary so that you may nullify it, and then deny that it is Scripture.

 

[HARK!]

So lets define what sin is

John already did that for us.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

 

[SkyWriting]

John already did that for us.

So lets think a bit deeper and wider:


James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Genesis 4:7
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. (Ex. If you lie, you become a slave to that lie)

James 1:14
But each person is tempted when he is lured (away from doing what he feels is right) and enticed by his own desire.

What Does the Bible Say About Sin?

 

[SkyWriting]

Now you take away, denying that it is even Scripture? It doesn't matter if Paul thought it to be Scripture, it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yet here you add to it commentary so that you may nullify it, and then deny that it is Scripture.

Lots of stuff is inspired by lots of stuff.

Everything in the New Testament was written to people who didn't have a copy of the New Testament to use for application. So it was written to Spiritual babies, not Spiritual Grown Ups.

 

[HARK!]

Now you take away, denying that it is even Scripture?

Where did I take away? Where did I deny that it is scripture? How did you come up with that?

It doesn't matter if Paul thought it to be Scripture,

Why would you say that what Paul thinks doesn't matter?

it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

My commentary was inspired by the Ruach Ha'Kodesh.

Yet here you add to it commentary so that you may nullify it,

I added commentary to the commentary that Paul added to scripture, for the same reason that Paul did; to explain it to those who don't understand it.

Paul is not so easy for some to understand. If Paul seems to be contradicting YHWH or Yahshua; that is a clear indication of a misunderstanding.


Now let's take a look the context of the law that you falsely imply that I am transgressing.

(CLV) Dt 4:2
You shall neither add onto the word that I am enjoining on you, nor shall you subtract from it, but observe the instructions of Yahweh your Elohim that I am enjoining on you.

Guess what we do when we declare YHWH's Torah obsolete.

 

[JIMINZ]

I should probably start a thread on that too.

Good idea.

 

[HARK!]

Jesus gave his life for "his neighbors."

He lived the Golden Rule.
They aint no TaNaK in that that I can see.

It's Torah.

(CLV) Lv 19:18
You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh.

 

[JIMINZ]

The author of Hebrews never said that the Torah is vanishing away.

That would contradict Yahshua.


(CLV) Mt 5:18

For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

While what you say is absolutely true, (The Law has not been taken away) it is we who have been taken away from the Law.

Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Gal_2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

 

[HARK!]

So lets think a bit deeper and wider:

I'm glad that you asked.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is not longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

That's pretty deep!

Genesis 4:7
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

Hallelu Yah!

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. (Ex. If you lie, you become a slave to that lie)

Using lies as an example was an excellent choice.


(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

James 1:14
But each person is tempted when he is lured (away from doing what he feels is right) and enticed by his own desire.

Our Messiah was tempted; but temptation is not a sin.

 

[HARK!]

While what you say is absolutely true, (The Law has not been taken away) it is we who have been taken away from the Law.

Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Gal_2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

We already covered Romans 7 here: Why did Yahshua Come?

 

[HARK!]

Lots of stuff is inspired by lots of stuff.

Everything in the New Testament was written to people who didn't have a copy of the New Testament to use for application. So it was written to Spiritual babies, not Spiritual Grown Ups.

Paul didn't have a copy of any of the Gospels when he wrote that. He also did not have the benefit of studying under Yahshua during Yahshua's ministry. Paul taught primarily from the TaNaK.

However, I would by no means call him a spiritual baby.

 

[HARK!]

All offer salvation to anyone without a Bible.

I find that to be a curious statement; as you pulled all of them from a Bible.

Here is another one that I pulled from a Bible:

(CLV) Hb 5:9
And being perfected, He became the cause of eonian salvation to all who are obeying Him,

Do you know what this means?

 

[JIMINZ]

Paul didn't have a copy of any of the Gospels when he wrote that. He also did not have the benefit of studying under Yahshua during Yahshua's ministry. Paul taught primarily from the TaNaK.

However, I would by no means call him a spiritual baby.

Maybe not during Jesus ministry, but Paul was taught by Jesus personally, therefore technically he did study under Jesus.

 

[HARK!]

Maybe not during Jesus ministry, but Paul was taught by Jesus personally, therefore technically he did study under Jesus.

Have you not been taught by Yahshua?

 

[ozso]

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[SkyWriting]

I find that to be a curious statement; as you pulled all of them from a Bible.

That is correct. According to God's Word, God written word is not required for salvation.
That's one for Ripley's Believe or Don't.

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So men are without excuse.

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe not during Jesus ministry, but Paul was taught by Jesus personally, therefore technically he did study under Jesus.

Paul saw Jesus in a vision, at best.
Then never wrote about what Jesus said or did.