Why did Yahshua Come?

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Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Some would turn Paul's words upside down, and have him in contradiction to YHWH and Yahshua.

YHWH said his Moedim are forever. Yahshua said nothing would pass from the Torah before heaven and earth pass.

This might help you with some perspective of who this letter was written to, and why:
Colossians 2:16

Do you view the Torah as philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ?

 

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Some would turn Paul's words upside down; and have him in contradiction to YHWH and Yahshua.

YHWH said his Moedim are forever. Yahshua said nothing would pass from the Torah before heaven and earth pass.

This might help you with some perspective of who this letter was written to, and why:
Colossians 2:16

Do you view the Torah as philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ?

Romans 7:4-6
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

 

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Romans 7:4-6
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Which law would that be? Paul speaks of at least 8 different laws in that letter.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

In that same chapter, Paul says this:

21 Consequently, I am finding the law that, at my willing to be doing the ideal, the evil is lying beside me." 22 For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,


23 yet I am observing a different law in my members, warring with the law of my mind, and leading me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

I do a walk through on this chapter here: Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 7

You might want to read that whole sub-series to get a better understanding that Paul is not contradicting Yahshua nor YHWH.

 

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Which law would that be? Paul speaks of at least 8 different laws in that letter.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

In that same chapter, Paul says this:

21 Consequently, I am finding the law that, at my willing to be doing the ideal, the evil is lying beside me." 22 For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,


23 yet I am observing a different law in my members, warring with the law of my mind, and leading me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

I do a walk through on this chapter here: Paul on the Law: Romans Chapter 7

You might want to read that whole sub-series to get a better understanding that Paul is not contradicting Yahshua nor YHWH.

It's amazing how much you add to Scripture.

 

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It's amazing how much you add to Scripture.

What did I add to scripture?

 

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What did I add to scripture?

Your editorial explanations. The pretzels you twist to make "you also have died to the law" not mean that we are dead to the law.

 

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Your editorial explanations. The pretzels you twist to make "you also have died to the law" not mean that we are dead to the law.

Do you mean adding commentary to Paul's commentary?

When Paul wrote that letter; he didn't consider it to be scripture. What he considered to be scripture can be found in the TaNaK.

I ask you again, which of the 8 laws that I listed, which are found in that letter, do you suppose that Paul is saying that we are released from?

Hint: If you believe that Paul is releasing us from the Law of YHWH, that Yahshua spent his entire ministry preaching; you might want to guess again.

 

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Your words contradict Paul.

Reportedly Paul wrote that letter as well.

 

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Yes indeed! In the Spirit of Christ we can love God and neighbour true and fulfil the law doing that.

That is the best part of knowing Jesus! We can love true!

Someone who loves his or her brother or sister true loves them like Christ loved them - unconditionally!
1 John 3:19-24
This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

However religious bickering causes disunity between believers.

Micah 7:2
"The faithful have been swept from the land; not one upright person remains. Everyone lies in wait to shed blood; they hunt each other with nets."

So we have to accept one another as we are just like God accepts us as we are. Rather than focussing on doing anything right, we have to focus on Christ and learn to love true, only then can we know we are in His Spirit.
1 John 4:7-21
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgement: In this world we are like Jesus. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.


We love because he first loved us. Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Peace.

Yes. In my heart where it belongs.

 

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The author of Hebrews never said that the Torah is vanishing away.

That would contradict Yahshua.


(CLV) Mt 5:18

For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

Copies will remain of course.
But the OT being obsolete, the Golden rule works best.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

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Your words don't match Davids words. Your words don't match the Torah. David's words don't match your initial assertion either:

David had no copy of the New Testament or the golden rule.

 

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Copies will remain of course.
But the OT being obsolete, the Golden rule works best.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

A covenant is an agreement, not the entire Old Testament. It means the agreement God made with the Israelites is obsolete, not the laws and scripture. The New Covenant or agreement is made based on better promises. God’s laws are still part of the new agreement according to God, they are now placed in our hearts and minds. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16 The law is still there, just with a better application and we obey because thats how love is expressed though obedience according to God who wrote the law and Created everything. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

 

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A covenant is an agreement, not the entire Old Testament. It means the agreement God made with the Israelites is obsolete, not the laws and scripture. The New Covenant or agreement is made based on better promises. God’s laws are still part of the new agreement according to God, they are now placed in our hearts and minds. Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16 The law is still there, just with a better application and we obey because thats how love is expressed though obedience according to God who wrote the law and Created everything. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

I can't wormy say it better than my source that taught me explains it.
Not one mention of promises or agreements. Nada one.
This exact list was/is my teacher:

What Does the Bible Say About Neighbors?

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

 

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Copies will remain of course.
But the OT being obsolete, the Golden rule works best.

The TaNaK (or "OT" as you would put it) contains the words of the most high, the words of who our Messiah is subordinate to, the words of who he calls to repentance. This is why Messiah came. Even Yahshua said that nothing has passed from the Torah. Do you truly believe that those words are obsolete?

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Do you understand the difference between a covenant and a law?

If so, please explain your understanding of the difference.

 

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This exact list was/is my teacher:

What Does the Bible Say About Neighbors?

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Disclaimer:

YHWH's word says that any writings are of no particular importance.

From the TaNaK:

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

 

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David had no copy of the New Testament or the golden rule.

Was not the word from the beginning?

(CLV) Mt 7:12
All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets

 

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Disclaimer:
From the TaNaK:

Which evil are we discussing?

 

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Was not the word from the beginning?

(CLV) Mt 7:12
All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets

The law and the prophets are all weak testament to the truth:
- "Whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them"

This describes the basis for Jesus laying down His life for us.
This was always God's plan for us from the beginning.
If only we could all lay down our lives for others.

 

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Reportedly Paul wrote that letter as well.

You are incorrect. Paul never wrote this:

YHWH's word says that any writings are of no particular importance.

In fact, Paul taught almost exclusively from scripture, in other words, the TaNaK, and scripture that the Pharisees rejected from their Canon.

Why most Christians follow the Canon of the Pharisees, instead of all the scripture that Yahshua and his disciples taught from, is another subject. I should probably start a thread on that too.

 

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The TaNaK (or "OT" as you would put it) contains the words of the most high, the words of who our Messiah is subordinate to, the words of who he calls to repentance. This is why Messiah came. Even Yahshua said that nothing has passed from the Torah. Do you truly believe that those words are obsolete?Do you understand the difference between a covenant and a law?If so, please explain your understanding of the difference.

Jesus gave his life for "his neighbors."

He lived the Golden Rule.
They aint no TaNaK in that that I can see.