Why did the smartest man in the Universe, pretend to leave the room?

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Explain

Mark 1:27​

Mark 1 27 And they were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.”

If you are referring to the 'unclean spirits' then these are the demons. So what this verse means is that Jesus has the authority over demons and they do what He tells them to do. No one has that kind of power.

 

[Panthers]

Mark 1 27 And they were all amazed, so that they questioned among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.”

If you are referring to the 'unclean spirits' then these are the demons. So what this verse means is that Jesus has the authority over demons and they do what He tells them to do. No one has that kind of power.

If the Son of God used the mouth of a man to cast out a spirit via sound.
How do you think his Father, Alpha and Omega said "Let there be light" and cast in the Universe?

When Jesus was resurrected, many did not recognize his inorganic body.
Nor do many recognize that this inorganic body (which left Earth)
Existed before the Earth.

 

[Panthers]

The theory is that the inorganic Son's body along with the inorganic bodies of the Saint's, were sealed inside the tombs 4000 years prior.

Matthew 27:50-52

 

[David Lamb]

If the Son of God used the mouth of a man to cast out a spirit via sound.
How do you think his Father, Alpha and Omega said "Let there be light" and cast in the Universe?

When Jesus was resurrected, many did not recognize his inorganic body.
Nor do many recognize that this inorganic body (which left Earth)
Existed before the Earth.

Where in the bible do you get the idea that the risen body of Jesus was inorganic? He ate food in the presence of the disciples, He told Thomas to touch His body to feel the wounds, both indicating that His risen body was organic.

 

[Panthers]

Where in the bible do you get the idea that the risen body of Jesus was inorganic? He ate food in the presence of the disciples, He told Thomas to touch His body to feel the wounds, both indicating that His risen body was organic.

Feel free to read the entire thread first.

Then we can discuss heavenly things.

 

[David Lamb]

Feel free to read the entire thread first.

Then we can discuss heavenly things.

Yes,, it is always important to read a whole thread, and I have done. I still see plenty in the bible to indicate that the risen body of Jesus is organic. As I stated, He ate, and invited Thomas to touch Him.

 

[Panthers]

Yes,, it is always important to read a whole thread, and I have done. I still see plenty in the bible to indicate that the risen body of Jesus is organic. As I stated, He ate, and invited Thomas to touch Him.

Do you know why organic astronauts can only be in space for no longer than two years?

What do you know of that doesnt eat or drink or need light?

 

[David Lamb]

Do you know why organic astronauts can only be in space for no longer than two years?

What do you know of that doesnt eat or drink or need light?

Sorry, I don't understand your point. What organic astronauts can or cannot do doesn't place limits on the Son of God.

 

[Panthers]

Sorry, I don't understand your point. What organic astronauts can or cannot do doesn't place limits on the Son of God.

After 2 years in space, organic matter starts to liquefy.

Now explain how an organic man can go without food water and light.

 

[David Lamb]

After 2 years in space, organic matter starts to liquefy.

Now explain how an organic man can go without food water and light.

I still don't understand (and if that's my fault, I do apologize!). I thought we were talking about the risen body of Jesus Christ. Are you suggesting that He is somewhere in outer space? Do you view heaven as a place that could be reached if only we had the right sort of space rocket? Heaven certainly has light:

“There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.” (Revelation 22:5 NKJV)

If our risen bodies still need food and water in heaven, then I'm sure those will be there too.

 

[Panthers]

I still don't understand (and if that's my fault, I do apologize!). I thought we were talking about the risen body of Jesus Christ. Are you suggesting that He is somewhere in outer space? Do you view heaven as a place that could be reached if only we had the right sort of space rocket? Heaven certainly has light:

“There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.” (Revelation 22:5 NKJV)

If our risen bodies still need food and water in heaven, then I'm sure those will be there too.

No need to apologize, Ezekiel 33:2-6

Revelation 22:5, is talking about the New Jerusalem which is already established on Earth. Revelation 21:2
In the New Jerusalem there are many of God's lampstands in place.

The New Jerusalem despite what many think, is not the old Jerusalem.
Matthew 5:14

In the New Jerusalem, 4 monuments were constructed via the Holy Spirit to honour the Four Horsemen with respect to Exodus 20:3-5.

What does on Earth as it is in Heaven mean to you?

Forever and ever means eternal. There is only one viable way to become eternal.
John 6:35 Revelation 7:16

Because God is supreme intelligence and supreme intelligence is directly proportional to supreme technology; That which is supremely intelligent (God), also is supremely equipped (technology).
Therefore, it is only logical to accept that our eternal bodies, pre earth and post, are of inorganic supreme technology which can sustain many environments and stresses for a great amount of time.
Not only is the logical, but it ends circular reasoning and is supported Biblically by Genesis 1:26
“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness"

Most know who God and His Son are; yet only a handful know what God and his Son are.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If the Son of God used the mouth of a man to cast out a spirit via sound.
How do you think his Father, Alpha and Omega said "Let there be light" and cast in the Universe?

When Jesus was resurrected, many did not recognize his inorganic body.
Nor do many recognize that this inorganic body (which left Earth)
Existed before the Earth.

I told you already. God is spirit, as it is written, and therefore has no body. All that is created is necessarily finite and limited. But the first cause (God) is uncreated, and therefore must be non-finite, or infinite. That which is beyond the finite must, by definition, be infinite, and the Bible states that God is beyond creation . That which is physical cannot be infinite - for you cannot add finite parts together until they reach infinity. Therefore God is spirit as opposed to physical/material in His Being. This does not mean He cannot localize a physical appearance. God is not composed of matter nor any other imaginable substance. He also cannot be measured, is not spatial, and has no true location.

The second person of trinity, took on human flesh 2000 years ago, but before that He had no body. I don't know where you taking this 'inorganic' body from, it is not in the Scripture. Jesus after resurrection had resurrected body - a spiritual body the one that we will get after we get resurrected, this body will be suited for living in Heaven. This new body Jesus had after resurrection is a glorified body, people either did not recognize Him, or He chose to supernaturally prevent them from recognizing Him until He chose for them to do so, like with the two disciples on the road to Damascus.

 

[Panthers]

I told you already. God is spirit, as it is written, and therefore has no body. All that is created is necessarily finite and limited. But the first cause (God) is uncreated, and therefore must be non-finite, or infinite. That which is beyond the finite must, by definition, be infinite, and the Bible states that God is beyond creation . That which is physical cannot be infinite - for you cannot add finite parts together until they reach infinity. Therefore God is spirit as opposed to physical/material in His Being. This does not mean He cannot localize a physical appearance. God is not composed of matter nor any other imaginable substance. He also cannot be measured, is not spatial, and has no true location.

The second person of trinity, took on human flesh 2000 years ago, but before that He had no body. I don't know where you taking this 'inorganic' body from, it is not in the Scripture. Jesus after resurrection had resurrected body - a spiritual body the one that we will get after we get resurrected, this body will be suited for living in Heaven. This new body Jesus had after resurrection is a glorified body, people either did not recognize Him, or He chose to supernaturally prevent them from recognizing Him until He chose for them to do so, like with the two disciples on the road to Damascus.

Explain God walking with Noah.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Explain God walking with Noah.

Noah walked with God, not the other way round. Walking with God is an image that is used throughout the Bible to describe being close to God and living the way the Lord wants us to.

Explain Jesus saying 'God is Spirit' in John 4 24.

 

[Panthers]

Noah walked with God, not the other way round. Walking with God is an image that is used throughout the Bible to describe being close to God and living the way the Lord wants us to.

Explain Jesus saying 'God is Spirit' in John 4 24.

Before I do, understand that my objective is not to weaken your faith (or anyone's faith) in the God of Abraham.
My goal is to strengthen it! Proverbs 27:17
The hope is that one day, we will ALL get our new eternal inorganic bodies, out of the ground! 1 Thessalonians 4:16 1 Corinthians 15:51–57
Because if we don't....

Revelation 19:20 Revelation 21:8


In Genesis 6:2, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Clearly solid beings.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:8
Clearly has eyes.

Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Genesis 6:9
Clearly has feet and legs.

And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. Genesis 7:16
Clearly has arms and hands.

Then God said to Noah, Genesis 8:15
Clearly has a mouth and tongue.

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Clearly has a nose.


God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24 KJV

To worship God correctly, one needs to understand what "Spirit" God is.
I understand that "Spirit" to be Supreme Intelligence!
Since it is impossible for anyone or anything but God to be Supremely Intelligent,
I have concluded that the only way to correctly worship Supreme Intelligence (God) is to be Supremely Aware of it!

Be still, and know that I am God! I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psalm 46:10

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

In Genesis 6:2, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Clearly solid beings.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:8
Clearly has eyes.

Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Genesis 6:9
Clearly has feet and legs.

And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. Genesis 7:16
Clearly has arms and hands.

Then God said to Noah, Genesis 8:15
Clearly has a mouth and tongue.

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Clearly has a nose

I told you already, Philosophically, God must be a spirit in order to be infinite Also, if God was limited to a physical body, He could not be omnipresent (in all places at once). God the Father is not limited to the dimensional restrictions of created things but can exist in all places at one time. God is the uncreated first cause that is the power behind all other beings.

All of the verses you have cited are examples of anthropomorphism—a way of describing God with anatomical or emotional terms so that humans can better understand Him. The use of anthropomorphism, a form of figurative language, does not imply that God has an actual body.

I understand that "Spirit" to be Supreme Intelligence!

I have absolutely no idea where you got this from, it is not mentioned anywhere in the Scripture.

 

[Panthers]

I told you already, Philosophically, God must be a spirit in order to be infinite Also, if God was limited to a physical body, He could not be omnipresent (in all places at once). God the Father is not limited to the dimensional restrictions of created things but can exist in all places at one time. God is the uncreated first cause that is the power behind all other beings.

All of the verses you have cited are examples of anthropomorphism—a way of describing God with anatomical or emotional terms so that humans can better understand Him. The use of anthropomorphism, a form of figurative language, does not imply that God has an actual body.


I have absolutely no idea where you got this from, it is not mentioned anywhere in the Scripture.

John 4:24 is not talking about "philosophy",
John 4:24 is talking about TRUTH!

Tell me what is smarter than God and what you think Genesis 3:22 and the fruit of knowledge is all about.

 

[Panthers]

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It was not the knowledge of good and evil per se, that demoted the man servant Adam and his servant Eve, to being the field slaves.
It was the man servant's disobedience to God and failure to follow orders, that had the tree of life removed and the micro-machines ( death and decay ) added.

It is very simple, if the Lord's Man cannot follow orders of the Lord, that man will be a slave.

Since the Lord does not need slaves, that man will then be a prop for those who wish to learn about the Lord.

 

[David Lamb]

No need to apologize, Ezekiel 33:2-6

Revelation 22:5, is talking about the New Jerusalem which is already established on Earth. Revelation 21:2
In the New Jerusalem there are many of God's lampstands in place.

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The New Jerusalem despite what many think, is not the old Jerusalem.
Matthew 5:14

In the New Jerusalem, 4 monuments were constructed via the Holy Spirit to honour the Four Horsemen with respect to Exodus 20:3-5.

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What does on Earth as it is in Heaven mean to you?

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Forever and ever means eternal. There is only one viable way to become eternal.
John 6:35 Revelation 7:16

Because God is supreme intelligence and supreme intelligence is directly proportional to supreme technology; That which is supremely intelligent (God), also is supremely equipped (technology).
Therefore, it is only logical to accept that our eternal bodies, pre earth and post, are of inorganic supreme technology which can sustain many environments and stresses for a great amount of time.
Not only is the logical, but it ends circular reasoning and is supported Biblically by Genesis 1:26
“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness"

Most know who God and His Son are; yet only a handful know what God and his Son are.

Thank you for your reply. However, my main point was that we are not told that heaven, the New Jerusalem, will not have light, food, and water. Your reply prompts a further question: You talk about the logic of accepting that our eternal bodies are inorganic, and can "sustain many environments and stresses for a great amount of time." What stresses will there be in heaven? Don't you believe that heaven is a perfect place?

 

[Panthers]

Thank you for your reply. However, my main point was that we are not told that heaven, the New Jerusalem, will not have light, food, and water. Your reply prompts a further question: You talk about the logic of accepting that our eternal bodies are inorganic, and can "sustain many environments and stresses for a great amount of time." What stresses will there be in heaven? Don't you believe that heaven is a perfect place?

What does gnashing of the teeth and no death mean to you?

Explain what the Book of Revelation says about the New Jerusalem.