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I don't see words "for ever and ever". I see words "eternal destruction". So, please answer this simple question: what is eternal destruction?Didn't you see the red word?
Do I understand you correctly that you were an atheist? I was an atheist.Being an atheist I understand you need to look at it that way...But, there are other ways to look at it.
If I die I will payoff the debt completely because the only payment for any sin is death. It is Justice of God. But then Mercy will be completely robbed.
So, Heavenly Father knows if I pay for my debt completely by dying forever He will do Justice but He will rob Mercy. Can God rob Mercy?
So, how does the atonement work? (I think we are getting closer to the answer).
P.S. I am a sinner. I will pay for my debt when I die. Death is the penalty. It is Justice of God.
Someone may ask: why don't Father just forgives Alla? The answer is this: if Father does forgive me then He will ROB Justice. Can God rob Justice?
how does the atonement work?
Perhaps I should have said "I understand you need to look at it that way considering you're an atheist"Do I understand you correctly that you were an atheist? I was an atheist.
ONE MORE QUESTION:
What if Jesus was killed by accident? Let's say big rock fell on Him. He would bleed. So, it would be no cross, no Calvary. Would He still pay for our sins by dying this way?
if "no" why not? if "yes" how?
I don't see words "for ever and ever". I see words "eternal destruction". So, please answer this simple question: what is eternal destruction?
P.S. one more question: what does "eternal" mean"? Thank you.
Atonement is a reparation (the making of amends for sin) for a wrong. According to Christian theology the reconciliation (restoration of a relationship) of God and humankind through Jesus Christ.how does the atonement work?
If Jesus had to die in order to pay for my sins then He could die naturally. He would still save me according to you.You present an impossible hypothetical scenario. The bible fortells a death on the cross. An inoccent lamb led to slaughter.
But why does Jesus have to pay for my debt if I can do it BY DYING MYSELF. I sinned I will die 100% guarantee. Justice WILL BE served. Why do I need someone else to pay for my sins then?It has been explained to you several times justice is not robbed....BECAUSE...Jesus paid the debt. If Jesus satisfied the justice, how is it robbed when God grants mercy to a believer?
I can't not only back my believes I can not even share my believes in this thread. That is why you don't know my believes. But I can ask you questions here. You answer them and I appreciate this.I also think it would be nice if you began to back up your belief presented above with scripture rather than what you feel.
If Jesus had to die in order to pay for my sins then He could die naturally. He would still save me according to you.
We both believe that God knows what happens in the future. God knew that it will be people who will reject the truth and will have desire to kill Jesus. So, God told people what would happen in the future. But where does the Bible claim that this was God's plan all along? Where does God claim that He wanted(His will) that someone would become so evil that he or she or they would wanted to kill an innocent person?
Then it will make a killer/killers of Christ a saint(s) because he or she/they would do WILL of God. To do will of God is righteousness and not a sin.
But why does Jesus have to pay for my debt if I can do it BY DYING MYSELF. I sinned I will die 100% guarantee. Justice WILL BE served. Why do I need someone else to pay for my sins then?
because the forgiveness of sin requires the shedding of blood. That is why before Christ died animals had to be sacified in order for Israel to stay clean in God's sight.
Why shouldn't He?Why should God accept your payment?
where does it say here that it is God's plan that someone had to be killed to pay for sins of others?Isaiah 53.
I am not saying anything. I am not allowed to share LDS Doctrine here.Are you saying there could have been a better way?
If I die I will payoff the debt completely because the only payment for any sin is death. It is Justice of God. But then Mercy will be completely robbed.
So, Heavenly Father knows if I pay for my debt completely by dying forever He will do Justice but He will rob Mercy. Can God rob Mercy?
So, how does the atonement work? (I think we are getting closer to the answer).
P.S. I am a sinner. I will pay for my debt when I die. Death is the penalty. It is Justice of God.
Someone may ask: why don't Father just forgives Alla? The answer is this: if Father does forgive me then He will ROB Justice. Can God rob Justice?
how does the atonement work?
And I will not argue with Paul. So, I will die. I will pay price for my sins. It calls Justice. But then if God decides to give me gift of eternal life/shows Mercy He will rob Justice.Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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