Why did Jesus have to die?

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As said before, Jesus died, not simply because of justice and the need for a substitute but to overcome the great evils the came through Adam, sickness, by lashing, sin, by obedience unto death while under the of the curse, and death, by dying physically and going to the power of second death but instead breaking it and rising from death, so we can take these things from Jesus.

So now we don't need to fear death, later people live very long lives further in time and the saints no longer die at all.
 
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What kind of death?

Do you mean physical death or spiritual death? Or both?

In that post I was speaking about the first death which all will experience except some at the Lords return.
 
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Because of what God's nature is for the satisfaction of justice. By American law, a person is punished for their own crimes, and God is mostly like that, but there is an exception. Someone else can pay for a person's sins if they meet certain qualifications. If they do, they are called a kinsman-redeemer. The Law given to Moses (a reflection of God's nature) about this is in Leviticus 25 (and snippets in other places). The book of Ruth gives us an illustration of what a kinsman-redeemer is. (Ruth 4)

To qualify as a kinsman-redeemer a person must:
1. be a blood relative. (Lev. 25:25, 49; Jer. 32:7-8; Heb. 2:11-14) [which is why God had to became fully man]
2. be willing to pay (Ruth 4:6, John 3:16, et. al.)
3. be able to pay (a slave doesn't have the authority to redeem another slave) [Jesus was qualified because he was without sin, Heb 4:15, Rom. 3:23; specifically, he was not a son of Adam, See Rom. 5]

Since the punishment for sin is death (Rom. 6:23), Jesus chose to die in our place.

Note that the above verses also reveal that Jesus redeemed mankind’s “land” (the Earth that God gave them but they lost when they became slaves to sin).

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Mat. 5:17, 1984 NIV)

(Edited to remove a questionable assertion.)


Amen. Great post. Jesus had to die because Jesus IS the creator of mankind. He became responsible for us when He made Adam, knowing it would require His own Holy Life, to make things just and good and Holy for the rest of mankind. God bless you

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (beast) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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What kind of death?

Do you mean physical death or spiritual death? Or both?

Both. Death is separation from God. Christians are alive forevermore and will never be separated from God since He lives within us. Spiritual death is an oxymoron to me since it necessitates that God be in error. IOW, First the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit create a new creature in Christ only to see later that they have made a mistake and that creature is lost. Such doesn't agree with other Scripture.

Physical death, or destruction of the flesh, releases our Spirit back to the Father. It's not the last death since:

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Real death, or separation from God forever, comes after the judgment.
 
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Sure it is. Read the Genesis account. Sin caused spiritual death, and spiritual death made necessary physical death. (Gen. 3:22-24, 6:3)

Show us where Adam was created by God the Trinity first, thus making it possible for him to die Spiritually. You can't die Spiritually unless you have first been made alive Spiritually.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam/man was formed on the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and trees. Gen 2:4-9
Eve was not made from his rib until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

BOTH were "
created" in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually at the SAME time. Gen 1:27 & Gen 5:1-2

Please explain.
 
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Nothing in the Genesis account shows physical death was a result of his sin in fact since he died the day he sinned we know physical death was not the death promised to him to happen that same day. There was no "you will die that day, then you will die hundreds of years later also" as part of his punishment.

Physical death is purely a result of being created mortal. Any human will die whether they are sinless or they have sinned or sinned and were forgiven.

Physical death comes from nature/evolution and happens to all flesh. Spiritual life comes from God as a Gift, not of works, but only by the Faith which the Father gives to all who ask:

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

God gives us the saving faith to believe that Jesus was raised from the dead according to the Scriptures. It's the only faith we will ever need to take us safely home. God Bless you
 
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They died spiritually in the day that they ate, and physically many years later. The loss of spiritual life and the need to be prevented from living physically forever, all stems from their sin. Or do you think God was wrong when He declared that if not barred from the tree of life man would live forever??

Adam (Heb-mankind) lives and dies on the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. We all live and die today. Just ask the 152,000 humans who passed from this Earth within the past 24 hours. Adam and Eve sinned BEFORE they were "created" Spiritually, since both were created in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2
 
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Because of what God's nature is for the satisfaction of justice. By American law, a person is punished for their own crimes, and God is mostly like that, but there is an exception. Someone else can pay for a person's sins if they meet certain qualifications. If they do, they are called a kinsman-redeemer. The Law given to Moses (a reflection of God's nature) about this is in Leviticus 25 (and snippets in other places). The book of Ruth gives us an illustration of what a kinsman-redeemer is. (Ruth 4)

To qualify as a kinsman-redeemer a person must:
1. be a blood relative. (Lev. 25:25, 49; Jer. 32:7-8; Heb. 2:11-14,17) [which is why God had to became fully man]
2. be willing to pay (Ruth 4:6, John 3:16, et. al.)
3. be able to pay (a slave doesn't have the authority to redeem another slave) [Jesus was qualified because he was without sin, Heb 4:15, Rom. 3:23; specifically, he was not a son of Adam, See Rom. 5]

Since the punishment for sin is death (Rom. 6:23), Jesus chose to die in our place.

Note that the above verses also reveal that Jesus redeemed mankind’s “land” (the Earth that God gave them but they lost when they became slaves to sin).

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Mat. 5:17, 1984 NIV)

(Edited to add a verse reference [Heb. 2:17].)
The kinsman-redeemer scenario in both Lev. 25 and Ruth 4 have nothing to do with “paying” for sin, but deal with property and slavery. No one is even taking the place for a slave, but money is being exchanged. This all has to do with money payments and nothing about sin.
 
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They have everything to do with it. The Law reveals God's nature—in this case, as it applies to slavery and redemption.
There is no substitution since the person stepping up is not taking the place of the slave. It is about God given property management (including slaves).
 
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Christ's death looked foolish. He scorned the shame. But it had to be that the Christ engaged the powers that work upon his beloved Adamic race. He by best judgement had to do it by being a man and dying. So to engage all 39 types of sickness, sin, and death. He rose with the power over all from within the Adamic race as God clothes us from within and starts with the heart, not the skin...

Jesus explained in the Gospel that the angels could not judge us, and that the vineyard servants would slay the owner, so to lure Satan to apply the power of death to him, it had to seem he could be overcome. And that God's powers would become his as he had wanted from the time iniquity was found in him.

Jesus knew Satan would misjudge and his powers would be crushed for us and others to have peace. No more fear of death and later, no more death. Good health, good character and eternal life in Christ, our compassionate high priest who knows us intimately.
 
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Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question?

Jesus had to die to achieve perfect Justice in Heaven. Lord God/Jesus made Adam, the first Human who sinned and brought about all the evil in our world. In order for man's sins to be reconciled to the perfect God, the Creator had to die since Jesus is the ONLY God ever formed physically or that ever will be formed physically. Isa 45:21

God the Trinity knows that He can never have a perfect Heaven until things are made perfect. At the end of the present 6th Day, God will finish or bring His creation to perfection and fill it with ALL of it's host which includes the last sinner to be saved. Genesis 2:1
 
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Christ's death looked foolish. He scorned the shame. But it had to be that the Christ engaged the powers that work upon his beloved Adamic race. He by best judgement had to do it by being a man and dying. So to engage all 39 types of sickness, sin, and death. He rose with the power over all from within the Adamic race as God clothes us from within and starts with the heart, not the skin...

Jesus explained in the Gospel that the angels could not judge us, and that the vineyard servants would slay the owner, so to lure Satan to apply the power of death to him, it had to seem he could be overcome. And that God's powers would become his as he had wanted from the time iniquity was found in him.

Jesus knew Satan would misjudge and his powers would be crushed for us and others to have peace. No more fear of death and later, no more death. Good health, good character and eternal life in Christ, our compassionate high priest who knows us intimately.

I love the way you word things.
 
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