Why did God give us wisdom teeth?

[Aussie Pete]

Not really. Evolution is a well understood and well observed natural mechanism. Selective pressures results in changes of populations of organisms over time. It's confirmed by mountains of evidence, fossil evidence, genetic evidence, molecular evidence; and across multiple fields of science.

All you've really managed to do is say that you don't even have the first clue about what your'e talking about.

Evolution says nothing about how life originated.
Evolution does not deny that God is the Creator of all things.
Evolution doesn't say that if you throw something into a giant blender that you'll get dogs and cats.
Evolution does not say that one species will turn into another species (a dog will never become a cat under the theory of evolution)

Evolution "is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." (source: Wikipedia). The mechanism for that change is the process known as natural selection.

-CryptoLutheran

Ha. Evolutionists cannot even agree what evolution is. Last count there were seven schools of thought. I define Evolution as suggested by Darwin. You are misled. There are no fossils and no evidence and no research that suggests that macro evolution has or can happen. Adaptation is indeed observable and has happened. A monkey did not evolve to become a human. Yet that is the claim of evolutionists.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ha. Evolutionists cannot even agree what evolution is.

No, there's agreement as to what evolution is. In fact I gave you the agreed upon definition.

Last count there were seven schools of thought.

Would you care to share for the rest of the class?

I define Evolution as suggested by Darwin.

Darwin isn't the authority of what is and isn't evolution. There's been over 150 years of advancement in science since Darwin.

What you're suggesting is like quoting Isaac Newton as though Newton is the be-all and end-all of physics. Newton's theories were deeply helpful and instrumental, but our understanding of physics has matured quite a bit since then.

You are misled. There are no fossils and no evidence and no research that suggests that macro evolution has or can happen.

Baleen whales still possess the remnants of their ancestors's hind limbs.

Early tetrapods such as tiktaalik here represent transitional forms between entirely aquatic fish and later amphibious and fully terrestrial tetrapods.

Discoveries of therapod dinosaurs such as Sinosauropteryx here with feathers was basically ended any dispute that modern birds are dinosaurs, the last surviving branch of therapod dinosaurs.

Adaptation is indeed observable and has happened. A monkey did not evolve to become a human. Yet that is the claim of evolutionists.

You're right, a monkey did not evolve to become a human. And that isn't what evolution says. Though the common ancestor to both apes and monkeys certainly looked a lot like a monkey. And as human beings are apes, we share common descent with our fellow apes, as well as monkeys with this monkey-like common ancestor.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[GodLovesCats]

Our anatomy changing is not evolution, it is adaptation. What part of "God created" is so hard to comprehend?

In biology, evolution and adaptation are the same thing. The need to adapt is why species evolve. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Ha. Evolutionists cannot even agree what evolution is. Last count there were seven schools of thought. I define Evolution as suggested by Darwin. You are misled. There are no fossils and no evidence and no research that suggests that macro evolution has or can happen. Adaptation is indeed observable and has happened. A monkey did not evolve to become a human. Yet that is the claim of evolutionists.

No, there's agreement as to what evolution is. In fact I gave you the agreed upon definition.



Would you care to share for the rest of the class?



Darwin isn't the authority of what is and isn't evolution. There's been over 150 years of advancement in science since Darwin.

What you're suggesting is like quoting Isaac Newton as though Newton is the be-all and end-all of physics. Newton's theories were deeply helpful and instrumental, but our understanding of physics has matured quite a bit since then.

Baleen whales still possess the remnants of their ancestors's hind limbs.

Early tetrapods such as tiktaalik here represent transitional forms between entirely aquatic fish and later amphibious and fully terrestrial tetrapods.

Discoveries of therapod dinosaurs such as Sinosauropteryx here with feathers was basically ended any dispute that modern birds are dinosaurs, the last surviving branch of therapod dinosaurs.



You're right, a monkey did not evolve to become a human. And that isn't what evolution says. Though the common ancestor to both apes and monkeys certainly looked a lot like a monkey. And as human beings are apes, we share common descent with our fellow apes, as well as monkeys with this monkey-like common ancestor.

-CryptoLutheran

I'll not argue with you. I've spent a great deal of time discussing evolution with atheists and others. The "gospel" according to Wikipedia is just one of a number of views. It's a neat trick. As soon as a flaw is found in evolutionary theory, the evolutionist clan rush to shore up their defences. They call it scientific method. What that means is that they spend decades promoting the unprovable as proven. Then they find out they got it wrong (Cambrian period used to be 70 million years, now it is 10 million, for example). So they have to rewrite the "proven" to reflect the change in evidence. Enough. I'll not convince you and you won't convince me. God has the last word. If you do not believe what He has to say, I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

 

[Aussie Pete]

In biology, evolution and adaptation are the same thing. The need to adapt is why species evolve. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

It is simply not true, that is why. You can have 3,000 varieties of fruit fly (I don't know how to spell Drophyillis or whatever it is). Even with man's interference, it remains a fruit fly. That is not macro evolution, it is adaptation. When the fruit fly turns into a dragon fly, tell me and maybe I'll rethink my position. Just the evolution of warm blooded creatures from cold blooded blooded is impossible. Do you know how complex a closed loop heating system is? I do, I sold the instruments to industry for those systems. For an animal to evolve a system by completely random processes beggars belief. If God steps in, then it is not evolution.

 

[GodLovesCats]

It is simply not true, that is why. You can have 3,000 varieties of fruit fly (I don't know how to spell Drophyillis or whatever it is). Even with man's interference, it remains a fruit fly. That is not macro evolution, it is adaptation. When the fruit fly turns into a dragon fly, tell me and maybe I'll rethink my position. Just the evolution of warm blooded creatures from cold blooded blooded is impossible. Do you know how complex a closed loop heating system is? I do, I sold the instruments to industry for those systems. For an animal to evolve a system by completely random processes beggars belief. If God steps in, then it is not evolution.

Why are you talking about fruit flies? I am talking about mammalian skulls. That has nothing to do with one mammal turning into another. It is one class of animals evolving so all of its member species have a single jaw bone and three bones in each ear.

How is this not evolution? One bone shurnk and moved back and up in the skull. It filled a space that was below the ear canal. Multiply that by two. Because this change happened millions of years before any type of technology could exist, it is obviously a completely natural event.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Tha. evolutionists cannot even agree what evolution is. Last count there were seven schools of thought. I define Evolution as suggested by Darwin. You are misled. There are no fossils and no evidence and no research that suggests that macro evolution has or can happen. Adaptation is indeed observable and has happened. A monkey did not evolve to become a human. Yet that is the claim of evolutionists.

The only people who say things like this are those who know nothing about evolution studies. Literally thousands of fossils have been found that undisputably prove both microevolution and macroevolution have occured for almost a billion years. There have never been 7 schools of thought about what evolution is. All sceintists agree on a single definition. If you think adaptation is not evolution in biology, you need to read a dictionary.

Also, you totally made up the monkey-to-human idea. No scientist ever thought it was a possibility. All of the research is on chimpanzees and scientists are looking for the common ancestor.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Let's also remember that after 2000 years of church history, there are thousands of denominations and they cannot agree on the faith either. Not putting down churches here, just pointing out that good men disagree, and that is a human trait, not just religion or science.

 

[GodLovesCats]

People can disagree all they want to about things that are unknown, but science is only facts. You cannot, regardless of your religious beliefs, deny evolution has been occuring for billions of years without knowing all the same things the best paleontologists and anthropologists have been studying for centuries.

 

[Queller]

Check out creation.com or evolution news, David Berlinski, James Tour, Steven Meyer and a host of others.

No, you start a thread and we'll discuss it. Most of those you've listed do nothing but lie about the evidence for evolution.

 

[Queller]

I failed to address the first part of your [post. Micro evolution refers to changes within a species - Darwin's finches, for example. Macro evolution is when a finch become a camel. There is no point at which micro becomes macro.

No one claims a finch became a camel. In fact, such an event would violate the most basic tenets of evolution. If you can't even get what evolution theory states correctly, why should we take anything else you say seriously?

 

[Queller]

No one but God knows exactly what happened in the first two chapters of Genesis.

And yet you claim that your interpretation (which is soundly refuted by God's own fingerprints) is the only correct one.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Queller]

Ha. Evolutionists cannot even agree what evolution is. Last count there were seven schools of thought.

I bet you can't list them.

I define Evolution as suggested by Darwin. You are misled. There are no fossils and no evidence and no research that suggests that macro evolution has or can happen. Adaptation is indeed observable and has happened. A monkey did not evolve to become a human. Yet that is the claim of evolutionists.

No, in fact, it isn't a claim made by anyone with more than a passing understanding of the most basic tenets of evolutionary theory.

 

[Anguspure]

The fact that we have middle ear bones and one jaw bone is proof evolutionary theory is very smart. How would you like to have bad hearing?

Don't tell me that was a funny comment because it wasn't.

Similar components put to use in different ways, now where have I seen that before? In any other field than biology it is well beyond dispute that this always points to a designer or designers.
Only in the field of biology are we expected to discard all common sense and attribute these things to blind indifferent chance.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

There are about a dozen or so "vestigial" organs and functions that have little or no purpose in the human body.
Most of these no doubt are from the pre-adam "earth man," but I suspect some are the result of pre-flood manipulation of our bodies by the fallen angels and Nephiliem as they corrupted the flesh of men and animals.

 

[RDKirk]

Your friend is lucky. I don't know anyone who did not have to get them taken out.

That's more because dentists are prime to coax people to take them out, rather than everyone actually needing them removed.

And that's only been the case in the West (or the US) in just the last four decades or so. In most of the world an previously in Western history, they were rarely taken out.

 

[RDKirk]

No. Not everyone is going to need to have their wisdom teeth removed. But many people do. They are, in general, unnecessary for modern human beings. That doesn't mean everyone is going to have a problem that needs correction, but it does mean that for many people they probably are going to need them removed.

Given enough time and the right selection pressure, there's a good chance that future generations might be born without wisdom teeth at all--as there are people who are born without wisdom teeth. Now that selection pressure is largely alleviated due to medical science (we can have dentists remove them), but under natural selection it's not inconceivable that lacking wisdom teeth would be more advantageous than having wisdom teeth.

-CryptoLutheran

What selection pressure would that be? Problems with wisdom rarely occur before childbearing years.

 

[GodLovesCats]

That's more because dentists are prime to coax people to take them out, rather than everyone actually needing them removed.

And that's only been the case in the West (or the US) in just the last four decades or so. In most of the world and previously in Western history, they were rarely taken out.

Do you know for a fact most people are able to keep their wisdom teeth in and fall for the dentist's claims that they need to be removed? What is your source?

My older sister's wisdom teeth were impacted, so they definitely could not stay in.

 

[RDKirk]

So I can tell when it's cold obviously.

You penis will tell you that quite effectively.

 

[RDKirk]

Do you know for a fact most people are able to keep their wisdom teeth in and fall for the dentist's claims that they need to be removed? What is your source?

My older sister's wisdom teeth were impacted, so they definitely could not stay in.

Our grandparents (probably your great-grandparents).

People all over the world who don't have their wisdom teeth pulled.