Why did God give us wisdom teeth?

[GodLovesCats]

If a tooth moves around in the jaw, it is loose and must be fixed by a dentist. They are inside bones for a reason.

 

[bbbbbbb]

If a tooth moves around in the jaw, it is loose and must be fixed by a dentist. They are inside bones for a reason.

Tell that to orthodontists. They are quite adept at shifting teeth around jaws. BTW, I don't know about your teeth, but mine were inside my jaws until they came out - first as baby teeth and then as adult teeth which replaced my baby teeth. My teeth are rooted in my jaws, but are not, thankfully, still inside them.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Having just had a wisdom tooth removed, in the following article, I look at wisdom teeth from evolutionary and creationism perspectives.

I'm interested in reasons why God gave us wisdom teeth given they serve no function and often cause problems.

Why did God give us wisdom teeth? : cruciformity

To wise us up as to the uncomfortable truth of dentistry!

 

[zoidar]

I'm sure they either served a purpose at some time or serve a purpose now. I had a lot more compassion on my children's teething problems. My wisdom teeth (still got them) were really painful as they came through. It's handy to have wisdom teeth. They make up for two extractions that I had 20 years ago.

I'm sceptical of any attempt by evolutionists to find fault with God's creation. When I was young, tonsils were routinely removed. Now they are known to serve a purpose. Even the humble appendix has a purpose. Sin has marred the perfection of God's creation. Yet our bodies are still incredible testimonies to the glory of God.

This is a weird one, but I had heartburn for years. As I had my appendix removed my heartburn disappeared instantly. I don't think any doctor believes in that connection though.

 

[Brightmoon]

We haqve two big sections of the forum just for that nonsensical debate. But I can say one thing about it: this very topic about our jaws is undisputable proof of evolution. Without evolution, mammals would have two jaw bones and no bones in their middle ears. This happened to all mammals, including humans.

You would most definitely not think that about mankind. Ever. Using this logic, the entire body would regenerate. We are not cephalepods.

. The single jawbone is a defining characteristic of a mammal and that happened far back in our past when our synapsid ancestors became mammalian.

Modern Humans don’t have room for wisdom teeth because we have smaller jaws. One of the differences between human and the other great apes is that our smaller jaw muscles don’t attach to the top of out head,they attach at the side . ( You can feel this if you chew) This was due to a mutation in the genes that lead to smaller jaw muscles . The smaller jaw muscles lead to our brain having room to grow larger .

You can easily see the Sagittal crest on this gorilla skull where the huge jaw muscles attached at the top of the head

 

[Anguspure]

Your friend is lucky. I don't know anyone who did not have to get them taken out.

I only had to have the top ones removed because they had cavities that formed between them and the neighboring teeth. Otherwise I had no issues at all.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I only had to have the top ones removed because they had cavities that formed between them and the neighboring teeth. Otherwise I had no issues at all.

I had 4 out in the chair at the hospital, I got an old careless dentist and a work experience kid, they played easy listening muzak in the background just to enhance the torture.

I became a little wiser that day. Don't ride motorbike home in busy traffic, plus helmet removal may be difficult! Lesson learned.

 

[Anguspure]

I had 4 out in the chair at the hospital, I got an old careless dentist and a work experience kid, they played easy listening muzak in the background just to enhance the torture.

I became a little wiser that day. Don't ride motorbike home in busy traffic, plus helmet removal may be difficult! Lesson learned.

Sounds terrifying!
The worst I have seen was a man of about 80 who walked about 10 km to attend a dental clinic in another village. He instructed the dentist to remove everything, which she did. Then after an enforced rest of an hour (to make sure he wasn't bleeding to death), he walked home again. No anesthetic and he was given a couple of panadol to take but I'm not sure he even did that. Tough old coot!

 

[Aussie Pete]

. The single jawbone is a defining characteristic of a mammal and that happened far back in our past when our synapsid ancestors became mammalian.

Modern Humans don’t have room for wisdom teeth because we have smaller jaws. One of the differences between human and the other great apes is that our smaller jaw muscles don’t attach to the top of out head,they attach at the side . ( You can feel this if you chew) This was due to a mutation in the genes that lead to smaller jaw muscles . The smaller jaw muscles lead to our brain having room to grow larger . View attachment 261843
You can easily see the Sagittal crest on this gorilla skull where the huge jaw muscles attached at the top of the head

. The single jawbone is a defining characteristic of a mammal and that happened far back in our past when our synapsid ancestors became mammalian.

Modern Humans don’t have room for wisdom teeth because we have smaller jaws. One of the differences between human and the other great apes is that our smaller jaw muscles don’t attach to the top of out head,they attach at the side . ( You can feel this if you chew) This was due to a mutation in the genes that lead to smaller jaw muscles . The smaller jaw muscles lead to our brain having room to grow larger . View attachment 261843
You can easily see the Sagittal crest on this gorilla skull where the huge jaw muscles attached at the top of the head

I have indisputable proof that evolution is impossible. I'll not say more, I don't want to divert from the topic.

 

[bbbbbbb]

. The single jawbone is a defining characteristic of a mammal and that happened far back in our past when our synapsid ancestors became mammalian.

Modern Humans don’t have room for wisdom teeth because we have smaller jaws. One of the differences between human and the other great apes is that our smaller jaw muscles don’t attach to the top of out head,they attach at the side . ( You can feel this if you chew) This was due to a mutation in the genes that lead to smaller jaw muscles . The smaller jaw muscles lead to our brain having room to grow larger . View attachment 261843
You can easily see the Sagittal crest on this gorilla skull where the huge jaw muscles attached at the top of the head

This is nonsense. I had far more than enough room for four wisdom teeth plus another four in my jaw (this is also true of all members of my immediate family). So, what did I get - one wisdom tooth. The other three never formed or sprouted. The fact is that modern dentists have concocted the notion that within the past century everybody has evolved smaller jaws so that they need to extract the wisdom teeth of everyone. However did humanity (not to mention the untold billions of humans without recourse to American dentistry) survive with those four teeth ruining their mouths?

This fable is akin to the fable that all youngsters must, as a rite of passage, spend thousands of dollars at the orthodontist to straighten the teeth that evolution has misplaced in their mouths.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Well, that still doesn't explain my friend's case. He does not need to have his removed, nor will it cause him problems in the future. Are you saying he is stuck in evolution limbo?

No. Not everyone is going to need to have their wisdom teeth removed. But many people do. They are, in general, unnecessary for modern human beings. That doesn't mean everyone is going to have a problem that needs correction, but it does mean that for many people they probably are going to need them removed.

Given enough time and the right selection pressure, there's a good chance that future generations might be born without wisdom teeth at all--as there are people who are born without wisdom teeth. Now that selection pressure is largely alleviated due to medical science (we can have dentists remove them), but under natural selection it's not inconceivable that lacking wisdom teeth would be more advantageous than having wisdom teeth.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bbbbbbb]

I have indisputable proof that evolution is impossible. I'll not say more, I don't want to divert from the topic.

Impossible is probably too strong a word. Highly improbable is a better term IMO.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I have indisputable proof that evolution is impossible.

No, you don't.
If you did you'd have it published in a peer reviewed journal and you'd be winning the nobel prize.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Sounds terrifying!
The worst I have seen was a man of about 80 who walked about 10 km to attend a dental clinic in another village. He instructed the dentist to remove everything, which she did. Then after an enforced rest of an hour (to make sure he wasn't bleeding to death), he walked home again. No anesthetic and he was given a couple of panadol to take but I'm not sure he even did that. Tough old coot!

Indeed. Not my first choice of elective surgery.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Sounds terrifying!
The worst I have seen was a man of about 80 who walked about 10 km to attend a dental clinic in another village. He instructed the dentist to remove everything, which she did. Then after an enforced rest of an hour (to make sure he wasn't bleeding to death), he walked home again. No anesthetic and he was given a couple of panadol to take but I'm not sure he even did that. Tough old coot!

Indeed. Not my first choice of elective surgery.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No. Not everyone is going to need to have their wisdom teeth removed. But many people do. They are, in general, unnecessary for modern human beings. That doesn't mean everyone is going to have a problem that needs correction, but it does mean that for many people they probably are going to need them removed.

Given enough time and the right selection pressure, there's a good chance that future generations might be born without wisdom teeth at all--as there are people who are born without wisdom teeth. Now that selection pressure is largely alleviated due to medical science (we can have dentists remove them), but under natural selection it's not inconceivable that lacking wisdom teeth would be more advantageous than having wisdom teeth.

-CryptoLutheran

Interestingly, the ancient Egyptians carefully removed all the organs of a deceased person and mummified the remaining corpse while placing each organ in a specialized jar - except the brain. They understood that the brain was simply useless gray stuff inside the skull which only served to hold the skull in place. They tossed brains out.

Likewise, throughout the twentieth century appendices were routinely removed from otherwise healthy people because doctors considered it to be an utterly worthless relic of evolution. Not to mention the foreskins of men which since time immemorial have been removed because they are also considered to be a hindrance to the proper functioning of the male reproductive system. So much for the wisdom of the medical profession.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Interestingly, the ancient Egyptians carefully removed all the organs of a deceased person and mummified the remaining corpse while placing each organ in a specialized jar - except the brain. They understood that the brain was simply useless gray stuff inside the skull which only served to hold the skull in place. They tossed brains out.

Likewise, throughout the twentieth century appendices were routinely removed from otherwise healthy people because doctors considered it to be an utterly worthless relic of evolution. Not to mention the foreskins of men which since time immemorial have been removed because they are also considered to be a hindrance to the proper functioning of the male reproductive system. So much for the wisdom of the medical profession.

And should evidence arise that suggests that wisdom teeth in modern humans is more advantageous than not having wisdom teeth then that's that.

But appealing to the ignorance of the ancient Egyptians or to the lack of understanding of earlier scientists doesn't discredit modern science. It simply informs us that science is a constantly self-correcting methodology. Replacing prior hypotheses and theories with better hypotheses and theories which better accounts for data and observation as we acquire it is not a flaw of the scientific method. That's its major feature. That's what makes it science.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shrewd Manager]

And should evidence arise that suggests that wisdom teeth in modern humans is more advantageous than not having wisdom teeth then that's that.

But appealing to the ignorance of the ancient Egyptians or to the lack of understanding of earlier scientists doesn't discredit modern science. It simply informs us that science is a constantly self-correcting methodology. Replacing prior hypotheses and theories with better hypotheses and theories which better accounts for data and observation as we acquire it is not a flaw of the scientific method. That's its major feature. That's what makes it science.

-CryptoLutheran

Nice theory. Have you had a taste of the tools they use to lever your wizzies out? Dark ages tech. Maybe refined a little by the nazis, but same patents.

 

[Aussie Pete]

No, you don't.
If you did you'd have it published in a peer reviewed journal and you'd be winning the nobel prize.

-CryptoLutheran

Go check out Professor James Tour. Origin of Life. If life was not spontaneously generated without any intervention, evolution falls over. Many scientists know evolution is bunk. Most won't say anything because it costs them grants or tenure. It's an unscientific way to be treated but that is the world system. As you know from your Bible, the world is controlled by Satan. He sure does not want people to believe in God. Evolution theory is one of Satan's means to keep people blinded to the reality of the God they will face one day. Anti-evolutionists find it difficult to be published, let alone win Noble prizes.

Noble Prize winner Francis Crick: “An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that, in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle" and, "Every time I write a paper on the origin of life, I determine I will never write another one, because there is too much speculation running after too few facts." He was almost right. Life is a miracle.

 

[public hermit]

If life was not spontaneously generated without any intervention, evolution falls over.

That's not necessarily true. That only means the assumed mechanism (i.e. spontaneous generation without intervention) of evolution is not accurate. The whole process of evolution could be guided by God and yet still look like what we refer to as the "theory of evolution."