Why Creationists Believe in a Young Earth

[AV1611VET]

I don't think Americans can understand a world where religion is irrelevant, in the UK religion it's not only irrelevant it's frowned upon.

You have one doosey of a building to frown upon then:

 

[rikerjoe]

You have one doosey of a building to frown upon then:

That one is no more doosey than any other religious building..

 

[AV1611VET]

That one is no more doosey than any other religious building..

That happens to be right there in London town.

His point -- that UK religion frowns on religion -- probably went out on the wires right past one of the largest mosques in all of Europe.

 

[USincognito]

Even non-Christians don't work on Sunday.

Actually no. There's plenty of people of all and no faiths that work on Sundays. And Jews, Muslims and SDAs, who actually observe a Sabbath, do so from Friday, Friday night/Saturday, Saturday.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think he might have been talking about religions other than Islam,

You don't know consol like we know him.

Islam as we know is cultural rather than simply religious,

So that building is what? just a library? a hospital? a pizzeria?

religion [other than Islam] is way down on the agenda of most British people.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Does the U.K. frown on that building, or doesn't it?

It has just been ruled unlawful to have prayers before local council meetings so a precedent has been set there.

Again, you've lost me here.

What's your point?

When you think about prayers being said in public, unless you say prayers for all of the different religions that may be there you are bound to exclude someone.

Okie-doke -- if you say so, I won't dispute it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Dealum,

Some time ago, amidst a flurry of being accused of being a hypocrite for not wanting to hunt witches, I asked if people bug the Muslims to 'hunt their witches' -- so to speak -- and take action on their 'Great Satan' as well.

One active poster here, a very knowledgeable person, who is not afraid to answer my questions as I write them, did indeed say that they bug the Muslims to follow their Koran.

In my [right to have an] opinion, those scientists, atheists, agnostics and other Heinz-57's out there should also take partial responsibility for what happened in the U.S. on 11 September 2001.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Does the U.K. frown on that building, or doesn't it?

This is an interesting subject and a somewhat sensitive one in England. Because of the general attitude to religion in the UK (hardly anyone goes to church) we really don't understand religion as being part of a community's life, because in Britain it just isn't. So the appearance of new mosques in inner cities is regarded with a mixture of bafflement and suspicion. We don't really understand what it's all about and worry that it's fomenting extremism and preventing integration. So to say that the mosques are frowned upon would be a simplification.

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Again, you've lost me here.

From The Daily Mail:

A landmark legal ruling banning the tradition of saying prayers at council meetings was denounced last night as an ‘assault on Britain’s Christian heritage’.
The High Court controversially backed an anti-religious campaign to abolish official acts of worship.
Christians and politicians reacted with dismay after a judge overturned centuries of custom by outlawing a town hall in Devon from putting prayers on the formal agenda.


It prompted concern that it would pave the way for Parliament to abandon prayers before Commons and Lords business, mark the end of hospital and Forces chaplains, and could even lead to the abolition of the Coronation Oath, pledged by Kings and Queens taking the throne.
The ruling means prayers will not be allowed at the start of council meetings across England and Wales, though they may still be said before the official start.
It comes as two Christian B&B owners who refused to let a gay couple share a room lost an appeal against a ruling they must pay thousands in compensation to the men.



Read more: Councils are BANNED from saying prayers before meetings sparking fury of Government and church leaders | Mail Online

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't agree with that, that was caused by the radical Muslims trying to look good to the rest of the Arab world.

This is a pet peeve of mine.

Those were not 'radical Muslims', in my opinion.

That's what the news media calls them.

They were fundamental Muslims.

A radical Muslim -- again, in my opinion -- is one who helps little old ladies across the street, plants flowers, and sings 'Give Peace a Chance.'

Do you know how the Arab world sees the US? the US stands for most everything Arabs are against, I don't know why that is but it's true, perhaps it's due to the US backing of Israel, Arabs don't buy American cars in fact they don't buy anything where Jews are involved which is most things made in the US.

Thank you for making my point.

I said it better though -- I used their term: 'Great Satan'.

You watered it down.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Dealum,

Some time ago, amidst a flurry of being accused of being a hypocrite for not wanting to hunt witches, I asked if people bug the Muslims to 'hunt their witches' -- so to speak -- and take action on their 'Great Satan' as well.

One active poster here, a very knowledgeable person, who is not afraid to answer my questions as I write them, did indeed say that they bug the Muslims to follow their Koran.

In my [right to have an] opinion, those scientists, atheists, agnostics and other Heinz-57's out there should also take partial responsibility for what happened in the U.S. on 11 September 2001.

From that I can only assume that your knowledge of Islamic extremism is negligible.

 

[AV1611VET]

(hardly anyone goes to church)

I disagree.

The Muslim population in the UK will almost double to 5.5million within 20 years, it has been claimed.

Immigration and high birth rates will mean nearly one in ten Britons will be Muslim by 2030, according to a worldwide study about the spread of Islam.

And the forecasts mean Britain will have more Muslims than Kuwait.

SOURCE

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I disagree.

And you'd be wrong. Mosques aren't churches.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you'd be wrong. Mosques aren't churches.

Then for the second time:

So that building is what? just a library? a hospital? a pizzeria?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Then for the second time:

It's a mosque. For the second time: mosques aren't churches.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a mosque. For the second time: mosques aren't churches.

Hmmm ... good point.

My apologies.

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, so I'm standing on a street corner in London, handing out Jack Chick tracts.

What is liable to be the outcome?

 

[SkyWriting]

It's a mosque. For the second time: mosques aren't churches.

Is a small mosque a mosquito?

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually no. There's plenty of people of all and no faiths that work on Sundays. And Jews, Muslims and SDAs, who actually observe a Sabbath, do so from Friday, Friday night/Saturday, Saturday.

I've been outside my house on Sunday and know that there are people working.
I wasn't referring to every individual in the human population being home on the day I refer to as Sunday.

 

[SkyWriting]

...or maybe it's just that you are unaware of what different parts of the world are like.

I can read. And I can see why you didn't want to actually check into it.
Now you went and made me check.

Belief in creationism is widespread in Britain, according to a new survey.

33% of those questioned describing themselves as "a religious person"

That number is lower than the US. Still, it's 1 out of 3. Anything that
includes one third of the population is a huge deal and a major influence.
No matter how much disdain you have for that one third.

More than half of the public believe that the theory of evolution cannot
explain the full complexity of life on Earth, and a "designer" must have
lent a hand, the findings suggest.

And one in three believe that God
created the world within the past 10,000 years. (UK)



Additionally:

Forty-one percent of English women have punched or kicked their partners.

The Labour Party spent £299.63 on Star Trek outfits for the last election, while the Tories shelled out £1,269 to import groundhog costumes.

One third of all the cod fished in the world is consumed in the UK.

Tony Blair’s favourite meal to cook is spaghetti bolognaise.

There were no numbers in the very first UK phone directory, only names and addresses. Operators would connect callers.

While 53% of households have access to a garage, only 24% use them for parking cars.

BBC - Magazine Monitor: 100 things we didn't know last year

 

[AV1611VET]

Most British people when approached by pollsters asking what their religion is say 'C of E' [church of England] and walk on,

Well, I certainly tip my hat to England, who gave us the AV1611 King James Bible.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I can read. And I can see why you didn't want to actually check into it.
Now you went and made me check.

Belief in creationism is widespread in Britain, according to a new survey.

33% of those questioned describing themselves as "a religious person"

That number is lower than the US. Still, it's 1 out of 3. Anything that
includes one third of the population is a huge deal and a major influence.
No matter how much disdain you have for that one third.

More than half of the public believe that the theory of evolution cannot
explain the full complexity of life on Earth, and a "designer" must have
lent a hand, the findings suggest.

And one in three believe that God
created the world within the past 10,000 years. (UK)

It's difficult to explain to an American how misleading that article is. If you want to get a better picture of the state of religion in the UK just google 'decline in religion UK' and skim through a few of the results.