Why Creationists Believe in a Young Earth

[SkyWriting]

Lion Hearted Man just wrote down the truth. It's kind of strange that someone who was a technician, like Skywriting, would be so removed from the proper scientists in the building to be unaware of how the hierarchy worked and the qualifications necessary, and where his/her own involvement fitted in. Just for clarification, technician in a science lab is a glorified name for assistant. Lab assistant. Get the picture?

Actually, it would be impossible given the involvement I had. I did take note that persons with elitist attitudes left black marks and clouds of tire smoke in the parking lot when they were let go. The more vocal the elitist was, the earlier they were let go when company mergers came.

So having a healthy team focused attitude may just be a self preservation thing. I admit.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ok, so you want evidence that qualification is required for positions in science. Here we go:
http://evol.mcmaster.ca/~brian/evoldir/Jobs/UCalifornia_Riverside.PlantEvoDevo
Association for the Sciences of Limnology and Oceanography
Physics Today Jobs - Job Search
Want more? Off-topic much?

I am responding to your comment and willing to risk all of my precious post, as far off topic as it may turn out to be.

My wife is a teacher. She has the highest education level possible.
She's never done a lick of practical work her entire career teaching, outside of teaching others what others have done.
Teaching science is certainly a valid occupation.
Practicing "Science" is open to High School dropouts.

Note that the Aquarium job requires a PHd in any related field.
Many organizations have financial contributors that insist on Degree holders. That has nothing to do with practicing science.

My stand is that practicing or even teaching Science is open to anybody regardless of background.

I learned science in Cub Scouts from my "Den Mother" just down the street. Science is open to everyone.
A great human biology course | The Do It Yourself Scholar

Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center :: Community Medical School : Community Medical School

 

[SkyWriting]

On what do you base this assertion?

Sorry, I don't watch video's or argue with them. Though I jumped through this one for about 5 minutes and, naturally, heard no fact figures or anything to agree with or not. If you found any facts or such, I could comment on them.

His invisible qualities have clearly been seen? Is that fair to post that here, knowing that is it against the rules to make fun of this? Or are you just trolling?

I'm not allowed to make fun of you either, so we're even. But you never thought of that. I don't see how making fun of my provided content would elevate your position as a man of science, or what ever image you'd like to offer. Certainly it has precedent, but no value. A "Scientific" or non-religious person would question me "To what does that passage refer" in my mind. And the answer is the same as for the first question:

No matter or energy may be created or destroyed.

Which means.....what it says.......and that the only answer for matter and energy is out of the bounds of Science. Or Supernatural. Some say a supernatural "force". I think "intelligence" fits our observations better. If everything existed in our reality without rhyme or reason, then "naturalness" would be more likely. Lawlessness should be the king of physics from an unintelligent source.

 

[SkyWriting]

Isn't it, though?

My experience with YEC groups is that they are not taught that way from childhood. Actually that's true of most religious groups I've experienced. A majority reject their upbringing no matter what it was.

 

[cupid dave]

This is why technicians do routine lab work such as running tests on samples, and they do this under supervision.

They are not scientists.

Hmmmm....

Even degreed science people end doing perfunctory assignments thatare hardly science in actiuon.

The Pharmacist counts pills for the most part of the day, or supervises others so doing, for instance.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

My wife is a teacher. She has the highest education level possible.
She's never done a lick of practical work her entire career teaching, outside of teaching others what others have done.
Teaching science is certainly a valid occupation.

Who does she teach? To teach high school science you only need a bachelors usually. To teach college science you need graduate degrees or can only teach labs at best.

Practicing "Science" is open to High School dropouts.

Not in academia or industry. Out of your garage, sure.

My stand is that practicing or even teaching Science is open to anybody regardless of background.

Look pal, if you don't know anything about biology you can't do research in biology. If you don't know anything about physics you can't do research in physics. And you shouldn't be teaching. It's as simple as that.

I learned science in Cub Scouts from my "Den Mother" just down the street. Science is open to everyone.
A great human biology course | The Do It Yourself Scholar

Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center :: Community Medical School : Community Medical School

Those things are for lay-people. They don't prepare you to practice science, just to have an appreciation for it. Do you honestly think Texas Tech's Community Med School is designed to train people to be doctors?

 

[cupid dave]

Which means.....what it says.......and that the only answer for matter and energy is out of the bounds of Science. Or Supernatural. Some say a supernatural "force". I think "intelligence" fits our observations better. If everything existed in our reality without rhyme or reason, then "naturalness" would be more likely. Lawlessness should be the king of physics from an unintelligent source.

?

Intelligence seems clearly to refer to how well humans can truthfully describe or correctly behave in the Real World.

This seems clear in that we mark questions right or wrong in the IQ Tests.

 

[Davian]

Sorry, I don't watch video's or argue with them. Though I jumped through this one for about 5 minutes and, naturally, heard no fact figures or anything to agree with or not. If you found any facts or such, I could comment on them.

No matter. (no pun intended ). If you think this is an important issue, you make the time.

I'm not allowed to make fun of you either, so we're even. But you never thought of that. I don't see how making fun of my provided content would elevate your position as a man of science, or what ever image you'd like to offer. Certainly it has precedent, but no value. A "Scientific" or non-religious person would question me "To what does that passage refer" in my mind.

Are you are positing that invisible things can be easily seen? Care to demonstrate that? A "Scientific" person would ask "why would anyone quote bible passages in a sciences forum to support a scientific argument?"

And the answer is the same as for the first question:

No matter or energy may be created or destroyed.

I don't disagree with that, and neither does Lawrence Krauss, in the video.

Which means.....what it says.......and that the only answer for matter and energy is out of the bounds of Science. Or Supernatural. Some say a supernatural "force". I think "intelligence" fits our observations better.

So state your hypothesis, how would we test this, and how it would not be unfalsifiable.

And how would this be evidence for your particular deity?

If everything existed in our reality without rhyme or reason, then "naturalness" would be more likely. Lawlessness should be the king of physics from an unintelligent source.

How would you know that? What other universes have you compared ours to?

 

[Split Rock]

My experience with YEC groups is that they are not taught that way from childhood. Actually that's true of most religious groups I've experienced. A majority reject their upbringing no matter what it was.

Sorry, I don't buy into that last line at all. There would be no continuity among any religious organizations if that were the case. The Catholic church, for example, has been going strong since the beginings of Christianity. You will have a hard time finding an Italian who is not a Catholic, for example. I have friends who's parents are both Catholic, and all their siblings were raised in the church and are all practicing Catholics. Two of them married Catholics and another is in training to become a preist. Their kids are being raised in the Catholic church as well, and while a minority may wind up rejecting Catholicism, I doubt very much if most will.

 

[suzybeezy]

MOD HAT ON

My head hurts after this thread clean up! Good grief!!!!

As adults you should be able to carry on this discussion, staying on topic, without reducing yourselves to childish insults!

MOD HAT OFF

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting

My experience with YEC groups is that they are not taught that way from childhood. Actually that's true of most religious groups I've experienced. A majority reject their upbringing no matter what it was.
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Sorry, I don't buy into that last line at all. There would be no continuity among any religious organizations if that were the case. The Catholic church, for example, has been going strong since the beginnings of Christianity. You will have a hard time finding an Italian who is not a Catholic, for example. I have friends who's parents are both Catholic, and all their siblings were raised in the church and are all practicing Catholics. Two of them married Catholics and another is in training to become a priest. Their kids are being raised in the Catholic church as well, and while a minority may wind up rejecting Catholicism, I doubt very much if most will.

I was wrong. The facts support only 44% changing faith. And Catholicism does show lower percentages.
Faith in Flux: Religious Conversion Statistics and Changes in Religious Affiliation in the U.S. - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

 

[AV1611VET]

All religions rely on parents teaching children about their religion that's why we have whole countries being monopolized by one religion.

Let me guess -- but you broke the mold in your family, right?

In their eyes, you're the 'black sheep' of the family, I take it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Luckily for me there was no religion in my family,

You really expect me to believe that, do you?

Maybe not in your immediate family, but I'm sure your family has religious skeletons in its closet somewhere.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

You really expect me to believe that, do you?

Maybe not in your immediate family, but I'm sure your family has religious skeletons in its closet somewhere.

You really can't get your head round the idea of a community where religion isnt on the agenda, can you?

 

[AV1611VET]

You really can't get your head round the idea of a community where religion isnt on the agenda, can you?

No, sir, I sure can't.

 

[SkyWriting]

All religions rely on parents teaching children about their religion that's why we have whole countries being monopolized by one religion. Belief in a religion has nothing to do with it, children believe what their parents believe what ever the religion.

I just covered that. About half don't.

Besides, your confusing beliefs with culture.
Even non-Christians don't work on Sunday.
It's a culture thing.

 

[SkyWriting]

You really can't get your head round the idea of a community where religion isnt on the agenda, can you?

Don't you mean a community that includes those with religious agendas
as well as
those who think they don't have agendas?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Don't you mean a community that includes those with religious agendas
as well as
those who think they don't have agendas?

Not where I live. If you are in an inner city in England with a vocal muslim community then the nuisance of religion might get shoved in your face, but where I am, religion just isn't part of life.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not where I live. If you are in an inner city in England with a vocal muslim community then the nuisance of religion might get shoved in your face, but where I am, religion just isn't part of life.

I'd like to see your research on that. It might be that you don't get out.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I'd like to see your research on that. It might be that you don't get out.

...or maybe it's just that you are unaware of what different parts of the world are like.