Why Creationists Believe in a Young Earth

[chuck77]

As I said, you will believe anything you are told regarding creationism.

And you will believe anything you are told by scientists, including (but not limited to) transitional fossils. You believe there are transitional fossils why? I know, because they SAY they are, and you accept it. Pot, kettle...black.

Evolution is ture because it works,

Hold on a second. Hahahahahahaha. Ok. It works? How so? Enlighten us. What is it we actually observe today? Not millions of years ago and we are stuck in a small period of time but TODAY, what? I'll tell you. We see animals producing after their own kind. JUST like the Bible says. If evolution is true give me ONE example of how it works. Just one will do.

you want to shut yourself off from the rest of the world and believe something else that's OK, it's not so good for any children that you and your creationists friends have but I can do nothing about that, all I can do is react to what results from your enforced ignorance.

Enforced ignorance? Shut off from the rest of the world? Really now, the children that you are talking about are innocent enough to believe what it is that they actually witness everyday for themselves and when us Christians explain the Bible to these children we don't have to lie. All we have to do is simply tell them to look around and see for themselves how life works. Humans produce humans, felines produce felines and birds produce birds.

What is it you tell them? The some finch beaks changed due to variation within a kind and a million years later they were a compltley different kind of animal? Who knows what tho right? It's halarious to me what people will believe based on assumptions that cannot be observed or evidenced by what it is we see today.

 

[RickG]

Dealem, I do not care whether or not the earth is young or not. However, one of the best evidences for a young earth is the fact that evolutionists maintain old earth must be right. Evolutionists are always proven wrong in time. Therefore old earth must be wrong, and a young earth must be right!

Either way for me, it's all good!

The numerous dating methods available to scientists show the earth to be much much older than 6,000 years and none of those methods have anything to do with evolution.

 

[chuck77]

I don't need to believe anything I am told I can go out and check it for myself

Really? I mentioned transitional fossils on my post to you. It's funny you reply with this.

So when was the last time you went out dug up some fossils and labeled them transitional? You go out and check it for yourself right? Or do you take the word of the evolutionist scientists?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Dealem, I do not care whether or not the earth is young or not. However, one of the best evidences for a young earth is the fact that evolutionists maintain old earth must be right. Evolutionists are always proven wrong in time. Therefore old earth must be wrong, and a young earth must be right!

Either way for me, it's all good!

Wait, hold on -- the best evidence for a young earth is as follows, according to you:

A) Evolution says there is an old earth
B) Evolution is always proven wrong
Therefore, an old earth is wrong

This is one of the worst displays of attempted logic I've seen on these forums.

 

[Keachian]

Whee look at me I'm a living transitional lifeform, can't really tell you where I'm going but I know where I've been!

 

[RickG]

So when was the last time you went out dug up some fossils and labeled them transitional? You go out and check it for yourself right? Or do you take the word of the evolutionist scientists?

Your post was not addressed to me, but yeah, I have and I wasn't even studying evolution, but when one does, it is seen in the fossil record throughout geologic time.

Perhaps you can explain how both fauna and flora over geologic time became more complex and diversified, especially when horizions of extinction events are observed and well as environmental changes and isolated populations, without evolution? Why is the fossil record laid out in such a sequence that perfectly demonstrates evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't need to believe anything I am told I can go out and check it for myself just as you can with your religion,

But you won't though, will you?

That was the point of my Mariana Trench thread some time ago.

People are content just to believe they can check it if they want to; but the fact of the matter is, they won't.

In fact, they can't, because they don't have the same equipment as others.

Thus I contend they operate on faith, not sight.

 

[RickG]

But you won't though, will you?

That was the point of my Mariana Trench thread some time ago.

People are content just to believe they can check it if they want to; but the fact of the matter is, they won't.

In fact, they can't, because they don't have the same equipment as others.

Thus I contend they operate on faith, not sight.

It is well represented in the scientific literature. You can even see it through bathymetric images from a plethora of sources. It is not faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I wanted to spend every penny I had on buying the equipment I could,

What does that have to do with my point?

Even if you had 10 times the amount of money needed to go down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, would you?

what could you spend or do to prove creationism is right? nothing, nothing, nothing.

That's right -- because creationism cannot be scientifically proven; and it can't be scientifically proven because no evidence was generated.

Then again it's not about proving creationism right is it?

No, it's not.

I'll say this again, creationism cannot be proven right.

I can't emphasize this enough.

because it's a belief, you either believe it or you don't,

That's right -- and I happen to believe it with all my heart, and I will defend it to the end.

this rubbish about evolution being wrong is a smoke screen to keep creationists from examining creationism.

You examine creationism all you want; and I'll tell you what I predict you will come up with: NOTHING.

And that's just what you should end up with -- nothing (nihilo).

And it works.

You bet it works --

 

[AV1611VET]

It is well represented in the scientific literature.

That's right -- and faith in that literature is what most people go on.

I just can't [pun] fathom [/pun] the whole world lining up to traipse down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, just so they can see for themselves.

If I told you the sun was 93 million miles away, would you tell me you'll believe it when you measure it yourself?

Don't tell me what you believe is science, and what we believe is religion, and expect me to agree.

You can even see it through bathymetric images from a plethora of sources.

Ya -- well -- until I do, I'll go by faith that others have seen it and reported it correctly.

It is not faith.

Yes, it is.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That's right -- and I happen to believe it with all my heart, and I will defend it to the end.

You clearly feel very strongly about this, but given your next statement one can't help wondering why...

You examine creationism all you want; and I'll tell you what I predict you will come up with: NOTHING.

As you openly admit you (a) have nothing, and (b) have to actively reject reality in order to maintain your beliefs, what reason do you have to believe so strongly that you are right?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That's right -- and faith in that literature is what most people go on.

I just can't [pun] fathom [/pun] the whole world lining up to traipse down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, just so they can see for themselves.

If I told you the sun was 93 million miles away, would you tell me you'll believe it when you measure it yourself?

Don't tell me what you believe is science, and what we believe is religion, and expect me to agree.

Ya -- well -- until I do, I'll go by faith that others have seen it and reported it correctly.

Yes, it is.

You might have a better case if you didn't admit that you refuse to look at scientific evidence that contradicts your beliefs. It doesn't lend much credibility to your rather hopeful claim that science isn't based on evidence.

 

[RickG]

That's right -- and faith in that literature is what most people go on.

And that literature is called peer review science which is verifiable.

I just can't [pun] fathom [/pun] the whole world lining up to traipse down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, just so they can see for themselves.

That's what I like about you, you are light-hearted. Good pun.

If I told you the sun was 93 million miles away, would you tell me you'll believe it when you measure it yourself?

That's just an average distance. But here's a bit of trivia for you. In the northern hemisphere when earth's approach is closest to the sun, it is winter. Vice verse for summer.

Don't tell me what you believe is science, and what we believe is religion, and expect me to agree.

Ignorance is curable, willful ignorance isn't. Enough said. BTW, for me science isn't a belief, it is what I understand and can verify myself. Big difference.

As for religion, I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I can't verify that, but I truly hope that is so. That is a belief and I believe that because I want to. I believe the best thing is to follow Christ's teachings rather than being dishonest with myself to reconcile a literal Genesis . That way I don't have to cheery pick science or misrepresent it to keep my faith. God bless

 

[Huram Abi]

And that literature is called peer review science which is verifiable.

That's what I like about you, you are light-hearted. Good pun.

That's just an average distance. But here's a bit of trivia for you. In the northern hemisphere when earth's approach is closest to the sun, it is winter. Vice verse for summer.

Ignorance is curable, willful ignorance isn't. Enough said. BTW, for me science isn't a belief, it is what I understand and can verify myself. Big difference.

As for religion, I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I can't verify that, but I truly hope that is so. That is a belief and I believe that because I want to. I believe the best thing is to follow Christ's teachings rather than being dishonest with myself to reconcile a literal Genesis . That way I don't have to cheery pick science or misrepresent it to keep my faith. God bless

This is one of the most self aware and honest things I've heard on these forums.

 

[CabVet]

As for religion, I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I can't verify that, but I truly hope that is so. That is a belief and I believe that because I want to. I believe the best thing is to follow Christ's teachings rather than being dishonest with myself to reconcile a literal Genesis . That way I don't have to cheery pick science or misrepresent it to keep my faith. God bless

Oh, where are the other Christians like you?????

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Oh, where are the other Christians like you?????

There are plenty of us, we're just less vocal.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, where are the other Christians like you?????

You might want to read what he said.*

It doesn't make sense.

But then, maybe that's why you guys like it so much.

* As for religion, I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I can't verify that, but I truly hope that is so.

Can't verify what?

I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour as well.

The verify & hope sentence, you guys can have; since you seem to like it.

 

[CabVet]

You might want to read what he said.*

It doesn't make sense.

But then, maybe that's why you guys like it so much.

It makes perfect sense, he believes in God, but not in a literal interpretation of Genesis. You might think that is not acceptable and he is going to hell for that, but that is not to say that it does not make sense because it does.

Can't verify what?

I believe in God and accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour as well.

The verify & hope sentence, you guys can have; since you seem to like it.

He cannot verify (and by that I think he means demonstrate) that God exists, or that Jesus is the only way to reach God. The inability to verify however, does not stop him from believing it, and that my friend, is called faith.

 

[RickG]

You might want to read what he said.*

It doesn't make sense.

Pardon my sincere honesty.

 

[RickG]

It makes perfect sense, he believes in God, but not in a literal interpretation of Genesis. You might think that is not acceptable and he is going to hell for that, but that is not to say that it does not make sense because it does.

There was a humorous story I heard as a child in church more than 50 years ago I have never forgotten. It goes something like this:

A newly received soul was just received in heaven and was being shown around by St. Peter. There are the (insert denomination), there are the (denomination) and there are the (denomination). Finally they came to a group and the new comer asked who they were. St. Peter replied, shhhh, those are the (denomination), they think they are the only ones here.