Why conservatives are boycotting paypal

[Uncle Siggy]

Paypal serves over 250 nations, it's from California.

You would have thought that "Moonbeam" Jerry Brown would have told Paypal to get it's act together or leave California?

Oh wait Paypal probably contributed to his political campaigns never mind...

 

[nightflight]

Do you know that they actually do business with people who imprison and execute? Have you actually seen their records? Because not everyone in a country imprisons and executes. If you don't know for sure that they do business with those people, it's slanderous to say they do.

Then the same goes for states in the U.S., right?

 

[TerranceL]

Why is Paypal supposed to fight foreign governments?

And they are renowned as a company for being LGBTQ-friendly.

One fight at a time ...

As long as that fight doesn't actually cost them much money and just brings them lots of free advertising.

But you're right, I guess people who really do care about LGBT rights are more worried about NC than places where coming out is a death sentence.

 

[TerranceL]

Do you know that they actually do business with people who imprison and execute? Have you actually seen their records? Because not everyone in a country imprisons and executes. If you don't know for sure that they do business with those people, it's slanderous to say they do.

You didn't put a lot of thought into this argument did you?

Paypal refuses to do business with anybody living in NC because of a law the state government passed. Do you really think every single person in NC fights to keep transexuals out of their preferred bathrooms?

And that's OK, you support that boycott. Mentioning that Saudi Arabia has laws that calls for the death penalty is somehow slanderous?

Why would you even say that?

 

[TerranceL]

This boycott is the equivalent of having a ribbon and thinking you are somehow actually supporting the troops.

 

[pat34lee]

Irony.
the only true victim is the transgered people in NC

Sorry, but "GO TO THE CORRECT BATHROOM"
does not make anyone a victim.

 

[Hetta]

So far as I'm aware, Paypal is an American company. It is doing - or not doing - what it needs to do here. Yes, I support them not taking their business to NC, if that's what they chose. That's democracy, so far as I'm aware. People who don't like it can refuse to do business with them - that's also their right. But before everyone starts jumping on Paypal for doing business in countries where democracy is not observed, they should look at every product they purchase, at every investment they make, and basically every single thing they do in their daily business, because absolutely nobody's hands are clean.

 

[Hetta]

Sorry, but "GO TO THE CORRECT BATHROOM"
does not make anyone a victim.

Sure. Then a transwoman will go to the women's bathroom because it is the correct bathroom. Problem solved. Glad you agree.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

NO, I questioned the OP on why PayPal boycotting NC is "bullying" but his own boycott is not. I never made any claims about boycotting being bullying.

OK.

PayPal is refusing to open a new office in NC therefore costing them revenue and jobs. That is a boycott. Why is one bullying and the other not?

Probably because the claim for why PP isn't opening in NC is not consistent with an actual human rights objection to NC law when PP is open in countries that violently oppose human rights. Making their companies operating ethic appear indifferent to human suffering and lethal violence, while standing opposed to laws that segregate a person's right of access to pee.

I don't think companies are capable of being afraid since they are not living things. Same with economies.

You're not aware that companies are populated by living things? As are economies?

I see. So PayPal should feel bad for opposing what they see as discriminatory laws because it is possible they could of hired someone who was LGBTQ? Seems a bit off there.

This is probably because you've missed the point.
PayPal isn't opposed to discriminatory practices as a company ethic or else they'd not do business in countries that violently oppose human rights. Therein this supposed decision to scrap supposed plans to open in NC is an effort to what?
Oppose the will of the people of NC, the legislative process, morality, standards and practice in the governing of NC public policy? While claiming they're all about the human right for Trans to pee where they wish, but are perfectly OK with doing business in countries that murder people for being gay or transsexuals

That's not only hypocritical but evidence of the falsehood that PP has any concern for human rights at all. They're not going to open in NC because transsexuals aren't allowed to use opposite of their birth sex bathrooms as long as said Trans has their God given genitalia while identifying as the opposite sex.

Meanwhile, PP invests in the economy of and employs the citizens of middle eastern countries that excise the female genitalia , execute people in the name of Sharia Law, and murder the very community members that PP says they're standing with when they refuse to open in an American state.

That doesn't seem, it is a bit off there.

OK. This is supposed to prove what exactly? That PayPal only votes with their dollars where they think it might make a difference?

Not in the least. It proves PP is inconsistent in their claim of being an inclusive company invested in the protection of civil and human rights. PayPal doesn't vote with their dollars where they think it makes a difference when they're doing business in countries that slaughter people in the name of the same kind of intolerance PP says they oppose in North Carolina.

I don't need to. I know that crafting a state law specifically to invalidate a local law is not democracy.

It is. What I find even more surprising is those who claim it is OK for them to do but not for those they disagree with.

Sounds like PayPal.

Public restrooms are, by definition, not private.

The door on stalls that is referred to by those who support Trans access and thus privacy says you're wrong.

Yes. No one is arguing to use the woman's room because it is private.

Way to miss the entire discussion point.

No, that is not sexist. Sexist is saying "all men are simply waiting to get into the woman's room to get their jollies".

No.

As far as safety is concerned there is a large body of statistics showing that transgenders are much more likely to be subject to violence. There are no statistics showing that women are placed in danger simply by allowing transgenders to use a bathroom. Shouldn't the safety of the transgender people be important as well?

Everyone should be safe to use the bathroom. Unfortunately, supporters of Transuse of bathrooms fail to see the inroad that affords the predator kind who can use that avenue of disguise, a man dressing as a woman, to threaten the safety of women. Shouldn't women feel safe in a bathroom?

Transgenders are murdered in America for being who they are. That is part of the point of this whole debate.

Every community in America has members that are victims of murder and violence.
Women's privacy and safety shouldn't have to concede to Transwomen's right to access private spaces even when they are open to the public.
As most know, that's the reason stall's have doors. Privacy. Setting the precedent that Trans can enter into a bathroom then opens the door of access to other area's that are gender restricted.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I don't need to. I know that crafting a state law specifically to invalidate a local law is not democracy.

No, it is done so the law is applied universally across a state and you don't have a patchwork of laws that are confusing and easy to violate. State law is supreme in state jurisdiction just as federal law is supreme in federal jurisdiction.....very simple.

 

[pat34lee]

Sure. Then a transwoman will go to the women's bathroom because it is the correct bathroom. Problem solved. Glad you agree.

And Batman will go to the bat-room.
Mythological creatures don't exist.

Women to the girls' room.
Men to the boys' room.
If you're a pink elephant, stay home.

 

[JustOneWay]

Sorry, but "GO TO THE CORRECT BATHROOM"
does not make anyone a victim.

Apparently you really don't understand the bill. The bill states that one must use the restroom of the gender on their birth certificate. There are transgendered people who have physically made a complete transformation, and they are now victims because they have to use the bathroom of the other gender.

The correct bathroom for a transgendered person is the bathroom of their gender now, not when they were born.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why don't you explain it to us?

Free publicity, of course -- did you really need it explained to you?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Free publicity, of course -- did you really need it explained to you?

Except this is what your really said, isn't it?.....

I'm wondering what the point is behind the faux outrage is... not on PayPal's part; their motivation is obvious... I mean yours.[/QUOTE]
And the bolded is what you were really referring to......So, again....why don't you explain it to us....Instead of just retreating into snarky one liners.....

 

[TerranceL]

So far as I'm aware, Paypal is an American company. It is doing - or not doing - what it needs to do here.

Exploiting trans issues for free publicity?

But before everyone starts jumping on Paypal for doing business in countries where democracy is not observed, they should look at every product they purchase, at every investment they make, and basically every single thing they do in their daily business, because absolutely nobody's hands are clean.

You would have a point if "every product they purchase" is being preachy about LGBT rights when it comes to bathrooms but silent when it comes to LGBT people getting killed by the other countries they do business with.

 

[TerranceL]

My issue isn't even the boycott, I think business should be free to open/close businesses where they wish. It's the blatant hypocrisy that gets me.

 

[Belk]

OK.



Probably because the claim for why PP isn't opening in NC is not consistent with an actual human rights objection to NC law when PP is open in countries that violently oppose human rights. Making their companies operating ethic appear indifferent to human suffering and lethal violence, while standing opposed to laws that segregate a person's right of access to pee.

So you are claiming that if PayPal does not attempt to use it's influence in every location it operates to better LGBTQ causes it does not really believe in those causes? So until the US stops supporting China and Saudi Arabia we don't care about Human rights violations?

You're not aware that companies are populated by living things? As are economies?

I am not aware of that. Currency has never struck me as alive.

This is probably because you've missed the point.
PayPal isn't opposed to discriminatory practices as a company ethic or else they'd not do business in countries that violently oppose human rights. Therein this supposed decision to scrap supposed plans to open in NC is an effort to what?
Oppose the will of the people of NC, the legislative process, morality, standards and practice in the governing of NC public policy? While claiming they're all about the human right for Trans to pee where they wish, but are perfectly OK with doing business in countries that murder people for being gay or transsexuals

That's not only hypocritical but evidence of the falsehood that PP has any concern for human rights at all. They're not going to open in NC because transsexuals aren't allowed to use opposite of their birth sex bathrooms as long as said Trans has their God given genitalia while identifying as the opposite sex.

Meanwhile, PP invests in the economy of and employs the citizens of middle eastern countries that excise the female genitalia , execute people in the name of Sharia Law, and murder the very community members that PP says they're standing with when they refuse to open in an American state.

That doesn't seem, it is a bit off there.



Not in the least. It proves PP is inconsistent in their claim of being an inclusive company invested in the protection of civil and human rights. PayPal doesn't vote with their dollars where they think it makes a difference when they're doing business in countries that slaughter people in the name of the same kind of intolerance PP says they oppose in North Carolina.

Christians buy things from China. Therefore Christians are not opposed to oppression of Christians in China. The logic does not work. The world is not an all or nothing place.

Sounds like PayPal.

Sounds like some people on this board to me.

The door on stalls that is referred to by those who support Trans access and thus privacy says you're wrong.

You may be right. I shall concede the point.

Way to miss the entire discussion point.



No.

Everyone should be safe to use the bathroom. Unfortunately, supporters of Transuse of bathrooms fail to see the inroad that affords the predator kind who can use that avenue of disguise, a man dressing as a woman, to threaten the safety of women. Shouldn't women feel safe in a bathroom?

Cite your statistics of increased predator activity after transgender laws are passed. I find the idea that predators are simply waiting for laws allowing them in to the bathroom prior to committing illegal acts rather ludicrous. What is stopping these predators from dressing as the opposite gender and entering the bathrooms right now?

Every community in America has members that are victims of murder and violence.
Women's privacy and safety shouldn't have to concede to Transwomen's right to access private spaces even when they are open to the public.

You need to show that women are actually at increased risk. I think this is nothing more then fear mongering.

As most know, that's the reason stall's have doors. Privacy. Setting the precedent that Trans can enter into a bathroom then opens the door of access to other area's that are gender restricted.

According to whom and where are you talking about that you feel is an increased risk?

 

[Belk]

No, it is done so the law is applied universally across a state and you don't have a patchwork of laws that are confusing and easy to violate. State law is supreme in state jurisdiction just as federal law is supreme in federal jurisdiction.....very simple.

No, writing a law that stops any municipality from enacting laws creating transgender protections are not an attempt to keep laws uniform. They are an attempt to invalidate local laws.

 

[TerranceL]

So you are claiming that if PayPal does not attempt to use it's influence in every location it operates to better LGBTQ causes it does not really believe in those causes?

I'd prefer they actually chose a country where people are being more than slightly inconvenienced to protest, something that would actually showed that they cared about the issue for more than the free publicity it'll bring them.

There have been plenty of companies that stopped doing business with Russia over their recent anti-gay laws. PayPal cares sooo much about the issue they weren't one of them.

So until the US stops supporting China and Saudi Arabia we don't care about Human rights violations?

It's kind of hard to make the claim that we do while supporting two of the worst violators doesn't it?

 

[The Cadet]

You would have a point if "every product they purchase" is being preachy about LGBT rights when it comes to bathrooms but silent when it comes to LGBT people getting killed by the other countries they do business with.

Do you think Paypal is capable of making a difference to the laws in Saudi Arabia?