Why conservatives are boycotting paypal

[civilwarbuff]

Isn't Paypal an American company? Maybe they just felt like making a stand in the US would be more likely to make a difference bc they're American too. Aren't there a lot of companies that do business in countries that have a ton of laws they don't agree w but nothing they do is going to change that? The Georgia law got scrapped bc of companies saying they'd boycott. Idk that anything a company could do would make a country like Saudi Arabia change any of their laws ever. Idk that they even need commerce from American companies so they could be like talk to the hand if an American company threatened to pull out bc of 1 of the many laws there that totally wouldn't fly in America. IMO it's more reasonable to want American states to have laws American companies can live w than to want the rest of the world to change for American companies.

Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia? Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.

 

[Belk]

Was the bus boycott long years ago and after Ms.Rosa Parks stood for her rights, or sat more like it, bullying the racist politicians that made the laws that put blacks at the back of the bus? And made it so that if a white person needed to sit on a full bus that that black person in their so called rightful place, had to give up their seat?

Were the people boycotting the bus claiming that boycotting was bullying?

No, boycotting is exactly what it is defined as.

Se we are agreed that boycotting is not bullying and is a viable form of protest?

I had a PayPal account because I sell on eBay. I closed mine in protest of PayPal's bullying of the economy in NC.

How does one bully an economy? Exactly what is an economy afraid of?

I cut up my card and mailed it to them, the PayPal debit card that allows you to access the funds in the account when the monies transfer from the eBay sale, with a note as to why.

And I fully support your decision to do so.

PayPal supposedly had plans to open a satelite office in NC and give over 300 jobs to citizens there? But scrapped it when the legislature obliged the will of the people, which is how it works in a Democratic Republic. And that was PayPal's option to do so as a business.

How is overwriting a local law "obliging the will of the people"

That option works both ways. They can elect to supposedly not open a business in NC and citizens in the USA can choose not to do business using PayPal.

I agree. If you disagree with Paypal's actions you should vote with your dollars and go elsewhere.

And in protest of PayPal's bigotry against Democracy and the will of the people they left without those supposed 300+ jobs they were supposedly in the planning stages of offering North Carolinian's.

So when paypal boycotts it is bigotry and anti democratic but when you boycott it is a principled stand? That seems to be what you are saying here.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Were the people boycotting the bus claiming that boycotting was bullying?

That wasn't the question put to you. You implied boycotting could be construed as bullying. That's why I posed the question about the bus boycott.

Se we are agreed that boycotting is not bullying and is a viable form of protest?

I believe boycotting PayPal is a viable form of protest. PayPal isn't boycotting NC. They're refusing to open the office they claimed they were planning to open in NC, making for hundreds of job opportunities lost, because they want to bully the Democratic process in NC.

How does one bully an economy? Exactly what is an economy afraid of?

What is PayPal afraid of? When they bully NC government and cause the potential job loss for North Carolina residents totaling in the supposed hundreds.
Remembering also that PayPal and the Dutch bank that also made news when they too said they were scrapping supposed plans to open in NC, that PayPal claims they were planning to open in NC.
Where's the proof? Claims are vapor, proof is in the pudding.
But to bolster their client base in reciprocal sponsorship from the LGBTQ community when PP and DB claim they're on the Transcommunities side and they'll not be opening in NC garners free publicity from the media coverage and chances to increase their client base from the LGBTQ community who reciprocate the support.

Meanwhile, what is often missed is that any number of people in the LGBTQ community out of a job in NC could have applied to PP or DB for one had they opened as "planned".
Further, as was listed, PP does business in countries where human rights are violated every day. No news yet that they're closing up shop and refusing to do business in those countries. Far more egregious trespass is committed in those countries listed than in NC where it is a bathroom issue only.

And I fully support your decision to do so.

How is overwriting a local law "obliging the will of the people"

You can look up the political practice of Democracy anywhere on-line.

I agree. If you disagree with Paypal's actions you should vote with your dollars and go elsewhere.

Yes, I know. Surprising isn't it how there could be those who claim that isn't right?

So when paypal boycotts it is bigotry and anti democratic but when you boycott it is a principled stand? That seems to be what you are saying here.

The principled stand is in boycotting PayPal for their inconsistent policy in bullying a state's legal process, when PayPal conducts business and even has offices one may infer in countries that commit great offenses against human civil rights and basic human decency. By law, under the current regime of politic.
If PayPal wanted to appear LGBTQ friendly they'd pull out their business out of any country that affords a death penalty for the openly gay, the Christian, the women found guilty under Sharia Law, etc...
Because barring a transsexual from the women's room when he is a fully endowed male is simply restricting a private place to pee. If that women's room is said to be his right to enter because he'll be seated in the privacy of a stall with a door on it, the same argument is afforded in a men's room as well.
It is sexist to claim a man dressed as a woman, fully endowed as a male, is entitled to enter into a facility where women stand to be, and imply those women must feel safe, while arguing that fully endowed man dressed as a woman won't have the same privacy behind a men's room stall door, and yet fears for his safety among men.
That's sexist. It's saying women must concede they are safe with a full male dressed as a woman, but that full male dressed as a woman should fear for his safety among men.

When PP or DB for that matter, conduct business in middle eastern regions where transpeople, gays, women, etc... are murdered for being who they are, and yet PP and DB for that matter, refuse to do business in NC because they object to a man and woman's access to tinkle, there's a very serious disconnect in moral priorities on the part of PP and DB for that matter.

 

[TerranceL]

So is Paypal, and doing so for the sake of people who are definitely being punched down on.

As long as those people are in a small state in the united states where the worst that will happen it that they are inconvenienced, those people being punched down on in Russia, India and Saudi Arabia? Naw that would cost too much money.

 

[TerranceL]

Isn't Paypal an American company?

Paypal serves over 250 nations, it's from California.

Maybe they just felt like making a stand in the US would be more likely to make a difference bc they're American too.

And they just happen to make this stand in a time and a place where it's not actually going to hurt them financially. They didn't protest any states when gay marriage wasn't the law of the land, losing most of the nation as a customer would have actually hurt. One small state? Not so much.

Aren't there a lot of companies that do business in countries that have a ton of laws they don't agree w but nothing they do is going to change that?

Sure, how many of those companies are swearing off doing business in a state when the other countries they do business have laws that are considerably worse than the ones they are protesting.

 

[Cimorene]

Paypal serves over 250 nations, it's from California.
And they just happen to make this stand in a time and a place where it's not actually going to hurt them financially. They didn't protest any states when gay marriage wasn't the law of the land, losing most of the nation as a customer would have actually hurt. One small state? Not so much.

So yep, they're an American company. Idk that when SSM wasn't legal yet that had a major impact on their employee's lives during the business day. I mean sure it would have impacted some of them majorly in their personal lives but not the same as not being able to pee in peace during the work day.

Sure, how many of those companies are swearing off doing business in a state when the other countries they do business have laws that are considerably worse than the ones they are protesting.

It's an American company refusing to set up an office where Americans will work in an American state that has a law most other American states do not. They know that if a lot of American businesses refuse to do business in NC there's a way better chance of the law being repealed. Saudi Arabia wouldn't care if PayPal stopped operating there. Every American company operating there could withdraw & they'd just use it as a reason to hate America more. They wouldn't change their laws one bit so it would just be stupid. Totally not the same w NC. I think you're doing an apple to orange comparison TBH.

 

[civilwarbuff]

So yep, they're an American company. Idk that when SSM wasn't legal yet that had a major impact on their employee's lives during the business day. I mean sure it would have impacted some of them majorly in their personal lives but not the same as not being able to pee in peace during the work day.




It's an American company refusing to set up an office where Americans will work in an American state that has a law most other American states do not. They know that if a lot of American businesses refuse to do business in NC there's a way better chance of the law being repealed. Saudi Arabia wouldn't care if PayPal stopped operating there. Every American company operating there could withdraw & they'd just use it as a reason to hate America more. They wouldn't change their laws one bit so it would just be stupid. Totally not the same w NC. I think you're doing an apple to orange comparison TBH.

Nice tap dance....noticed you did not answer the question asked......

 

[Hetta]

Why is Paypal supposed to fight foreign governments?

And they are renowned as a company for being LGBTQ-friendly.

One fight at a time ...

 

[Belk]

That wasn't the question put to you. You implied boycotting could be construed as bullying. That's why I posed the question about the bus boycott.

NO, I questioned the OP on why PayPal boycotting NC is "bullying" but his own boycott is not. I never made any claims about boycotting being bullying.

I believe boycotting PayPal is a viable form of protest. PayPal isn't boycotting NC. They're refusing to open the office they claimed they were planning to open in NC, making for hundreds of job opportunities lost, because they want to bully the Democratic process in NC.

PayPal is refusing to open a new office in NC therefore costing them revenue and jobs. That is a boycott. Why is one bullying and the other not?

What is PayPal afraid of? When they bully NC government and cause the potential job loss for North Carolina residents totaling in the supposed hundreds.

I don't think companies are capable of being afraid since they are not living things. Same with economies.

Remembering also that PayPal and the Dutch bank that also made news when they too said they were scrapping supposed plans to open in NC, that PayPal claims they were planning to open in NC.
Where's the proof? Claims are vapor, proof is in the pudding.
But to bolster their client base in reciprocal sponsorship from the LGBTQ community when PP and DB claim they're on the Transcommunities side and they'll not be opening in NC garners free publicity from the media coverage and chances to increase their client base from the LGBTQ community who reciprocate the support.

Meanwhile, what is often missed is that any number of people in the LGBTQ community out of a job in NC could have applied to PP or DB for one had they opened as "planned".

I see. So PayPal should feel bad for opposing what they see as discriminatory laws because it is possible they could of hired someone who was LGBTQ? Seems a bit off there.

Further, as was listed, PP does business in countries where human rights are violated every day. No news yet that they're closing up shop and refusing to do business in those countries. Far more egregious trespass is committed in those countries listed than in NC where it is a bathroom issue only.

OK. This is supposed to prove what exactly? That PayPal only votes with their dollars where they think it might make a difference?

You can look up the political practice of Democracy anywhere on-line.

I don't need to. I know that crafting a state law specifically to invalidate a local law is not democracy.

Yes, I know. Surprising isn't it how there could be those who claim that isn't right?

It is. What I find even more surprising is those who claim it is OK for them to do but not for those they disagree with.

The principled stand is in boycotting PayPal for their inconsistent policy in bullying a state's legal process, when PayPal conducts business and even has offices one may infer in countries that commit great offenses against human civil rights and basic human decency. By law, under the current regime of politic.
If PayPal wanted to appear LGBTQ friendly they'd pull out their business out of any country that affords a death penalty for the openly gay, the Christian, the women found guilty under Sharia Law, etc...
Because barring a transsexual from the women's room when he is a fully endowed male is simply restricting a private place to pee.

Public restrooms are, by definition, not private.

If that women's room is said to be his right to enter because he'll be seated in the privacy of a stall with a door on it, the same argument is afforded in a men's room as well.

Yes. No one is arguing to use the woman's room because it is private.

It is sexist to claim a man dressed as a woman, fully endowed as a male, is entitled to enter into a facility where women stand to be, and imply those women must feel safe, while arguing that fully endowed man dressed as a woman won't have the same privacy behind a men's room stall door, and yet fears for his safety among men.
That's sexist. It's saying women must concede they are safe with a full male dressed as a woman, but that full male dressed as a woman should fear for his safety among men.

No, that is not sexist. Sexist is saying "all men are simply waiting to get into the woman's room to get their jollies".

As far as safety is concerned there is a large body of statistics showing that transgenders are much more likely to be subject to violence. There are no statistics showing that women are placed in danger simply by allowing transgenders to use a bathroom. Shouldn't the safety of the transgender people be important as well?

When PP or DB for that matter, conduct business in middle eastern regions where transpeople, gays, women, etc... are murdered for being who they are, and yet PP and DB for that matter, refuse to do business in NC because they object to a man and woman's access to tinkle, there's a very serious disconnect in moral priorities on the part of PP and DB for that matter.

Transgenders are murdered in America for being who they are. That is part of the point of this whole debate.

 

[nightflight]

Why is Paypal supposed to fight foreign governments?

And they are renowned as a company for being LGBTQ-friendly.

One fight at a time ...

Sounds like their moral stance can be sold out. Boycott a bathroom policy, but do trade with people who imprison and execute.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia?

If you live or work in NC, I suspect a lot happens there that's more important than in Saudi Arabia...

Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.

And it works, too...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sounds like their moral stance can be sold out. Boycott a bathroom policy, but do trade with people who imprison and execute.

You sound surprised... why?

 

[nightflight]

You sound surprised... why?

Do I really sound surprised? I don't feel surprised.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You sound surprised... why?

You sound like you have nothing to offer the discussion, why?

 

[Hetta]

Sounds like their moral stance can be sold out. Boycott a bathroom policy, but do trade with people who imprison and execute.

Do you know that they actually do business with people who imprison and execute? Have you actually seen their records? Because not everyone in a country imprisons and executes. If you don't know for sure that they do business with those people, it's slanderous to say they do.

 

[Hetta]

I just want all these people to stop saying that it's about "protecting women." That's simply not true.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

They don't actually give a damn about LGBT rights. They are using this to grandstand to make themselves look good instead of actually making a stand.

Either that or they think the current regime will come after them if they don't grandstand for the useful idiots...

 

[TLK Valentine]

You sound like you have nothing to offer the discussion, why?

I'm wondering what the point is behind the faux outrage is... not on PayPal's part; their motivation is obvious... I mean yours.

 

[civilwarbuff]

their motivation is obvious...

Why don't you explain it to us?

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Really? A "bathroom bill" in NC is more important than the treatment of lgbt in say, Saudia Arabia? Taking a stand there would not speak volumes about how they view the issue? Come on, it is all about money and free publicity; if not they would have taken action in other places a long time before NC.