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I don't see it mentions earth.Verse 4.
It's not a question as to what the Jewish Revolts and total destruction of ancient Jerusalem and the whole temple system accomplishes for US....it's what it meant for the ancient Jews and the early church. It's a question as to how the generation that lived as contempories of Jesus - at His first Advent - experienced His salvation and vengeance. Salvation, wrath, and the end of the age (the Old Covenant age) are all tied together in the Bible (the way I see it - as is the partial preterist view).
I don't see it mentions earth.
Wrong.
Christ is not reigning over earth at the moment. Neither are we.
The devil is currently reigning over earth, ever since he stole it from Adam.
Paul, after Christ's resurrection says in 2 Corinthians 4:4,
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe...(NLT)
However, the earth belongs to us as an inheritance due to the work of Christ on the cross.
You'll have to try again.
Satan is not the god of my world. Premils make Satan BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology, whereas Amil makes Christ BIG, sovereign and ruling by their theology.
If this is true, why do Amils have satan bound in this age? And speaking of that, my challenge is still on. Show, using Revelation 12, where satan's thousand year binding fits. Clearly that chapter covers at least the past 2000 years and then some, which means, since Amils thousand years are meaning these same past 2000 years, they have to be in Revelation 12 then. So show exactly where, or admit Amil is debunked.
In Revelation 12, until satan is cast to the earth, this indicates he still had access to heaven in some sense or another, all the way up to him being cast out into the earth. It would seem plain silly to place his thousand year binding while he still has access to heaven. Obviously then, his binding can only fit after he no longer has access to heaven, thus after he has been cast unto the earth.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Here you go then. This is clearly after he has been cast out of heaven. Show where his initial thousand year binding begins using any of those verses. Keeping in mind, before verse 12 he still had access to heaven, thus his binding can't fit any of that, obviously. It can only fit after verse 12 then, there's no way around it. I say it fits after the fulfillment of verse 17. Prove it doesn't.
It's not a question as to what the Jewish Revolts and total destruction of ancient Jerusalem and the whole temple system accomplishes for US....it's what it meant for the ancient Jews and the early church. It's a question as to how the generation that lived as contempories of Jesus - at His first Advent - experienced His salvation and vengeance. Salvation, wrath, and the end of the age (the Old Covenant age) are all tied together in the Bible (the way I see it - as is the partial preterist view).
This promise recorded in Deuteronomy 32:43 (and repeated by Jesus in Matthew 23:13-36) had yet to be fulfilled after the cross (but was fulfilled, in the preterist theology, in 70 AD)
Deuteronomy 32:29 -43
v. 43- Rejoice, O nations, with His people; For He will avenge the blood of His servants, And will render vengeance on His adversaries, And will atone for His land and His people."
Matthew 23:35 -36 - So that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."
Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?A couple of questions: what happens at the second coming? Can you furnish me with the scriptures that you believe relate to it? It seems like every Scripture that is presented here pertaining to the second coming is spiritualized away by you. Also, do you believe that sin, corruption, death and Satan continue on forever?
Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?
Jesus said, Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."
Why are you redirecting the conversation and avoiding what's written there?
Jesus said, Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."
In Zech 14 it ends after the LORD is king over all the earth that all the nations which are left will be required to keep the feast of tabernacles. Now this certainly notes not all nations will be left. This does not fit your Rome equals all idea. you have the wrong side winning. This is a single day not a long period of time. This is the very juncture of end of the tribulation and beginning of the millennium.You are totally sidestepping my main points. I refer you back.
And, yes, the Roman Empire did represent all nations. Check the history books.
In Zech 14 it ends after the LORD is king over all the earth that all the nations which are left will be required to keep the feast of tabernacles. Now this certainly notes not all nations will be left. This does not fit your Rome equals all idea. you have the wrong side winning. This is a single day not a long period of time. This is the very juncture of end of the tribulation and beginning of the millennium.
There is no way that is all happening in one day.
Unfortunately when I agreed with that particular post, I failed to consider that part as well. I'm not seeing it involving just a single day either. Everything else in that post I would agree with though.
The word genea means:
1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years.
Different translations and Bible scholars interpret it in different ways. Many good Bible students see it my way, many your way. I do not limit its meaning to a 40 year generation as Preterism must to sustain its school of thought. It can equally and fairly broadly describe a time-periods (a literal generation or age) or natural descendants (a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits or men of the same stock).
The root word for genea is genos (Strong’s 1085), which means race, kindred, offspring, family, stock, tribe, nation, i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people.
Acts 13:26 talks about “children of the stock [Gr. genos] of Abraham” and Philippians 3:5 those “of the stock [Gr. genos] of Israel.” The Bible is here speaking in a natural sense.
The root word of genos is ginomai (Strong’s 1096), which literally means to gen-erate.
Matthew 24:34 is telling us that the Jewish race would not pass away until all things are fulfilled. Israel is an everlasting generation.
Satan held the power of death until sin was fully and finally paid for at the cross and the grave was defeated 3 days later. He also held a legitimate seat of accusation before the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Through Christ's victorious ministry Satan was stripped of his power and authority. As a result, he was banished from heaven. His charges carried no authority anymore because man's debt was paid in full. Since his casting down to the earth he has to point the finger direct at the elect (and hope they receive the false charges). God will not hear these accusations. The blood has covered all our sin - forever.
Satan has lost his previous ability to point the finger at God's people before the throne of God that Adam gave him. That position is gone forever. The blood of Jesus now pleads our cause. Sin and death is now defeated! The grave is defeated! The devil is a defeated foe! Satan is banished from heaven after Christ ascended to the throne. Scripture shows the casting out of Satan with the resulting / accompanying enlightenment of the nations with salvation.
In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.
Revelation 12:5-11 says : "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."
Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight. Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.
Revelation 12:5-11 and Revelation 20 describe the overthrow of Satan after the resurrection. The casting of Satan and his minions out of heaven toward earth John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:5-11 correlates with him being cast into the abyss (Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20). The abyss is a place of restraint.
Revelation 20:1-7 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."
This is the authority He secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. See the blue highlight.
That was the preeminent statement in it! You can take your award back, if it confuses the observer as to your position.
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