Why Christian Creationists Hate Evolution but Muslim Creationists Don’t Care

[Speedwell]

Why does it always come down to threats? Do evangelicals really believe this is the best way of trying to reach a non-believer?

It's just sad.

They're not trying to reach non-believers--they're trying to defend against them.

 

[pitabread]

They're not trying to reach non-believers--they're trying to defend against them.

Defend against what though?

Anyone who is secure in their own faith shouldn't feel threatened by a non-believer I would think.

 

[Speedwell]

Defend against what though?

Anyone who is secure in their own faith shouldn't feel threatened by a non-believer I would think.

Yeah, but we're all involved in a conspiracy to deny the Bible and its promise of retribution for our hedonistic lifestyle. We're out to destroy their faith with atheistic science.

 

[pitabread]

Yeah, but we're all involved in a conspiracy to deny the Bible and its promise of retribution for our hedonistic lifestyle. We're out to destroy their faith with atheistic science.

Really? Shoot, I must've not got the memo.

 

[Speedwell]

Really? Shoot, I must've not got the memo.

What I want to know is when I am going to get in on the hedonistic lifestyle?

 

[KWCrazy]

Why does it always come down to threats?

It's reality, not threats.
We temporarily inhabit this world while we are tested and our character is determined. We do not know how much longer we have; 50 years or twenty minutes. We hear the Lord knocking at our souls but we are more interested in the sounds and distractions of the world around us. We live lives of rebellion, not thinking about tomorrow. We abuse drugs, our spouses and our children. With each year we grow increasingly cynical. We try to convince ourselves there isn't a greater authority by gruffly spouting out disbelief to all who will hear. We separate ourselves from God until the final separation. Not willing to say to God, "Thy will be done," we stand at the throne of judgment and hear the words, "Thy will be done." and thus the separation from God goes on for eternity. It's all by choice. God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.

 

[pitabread]

It's reality, not threats.

When you start talking about paying prices and penalties, it sure sounds like a threat to me.

We separate ourselves from God until the final separation. Not willing to say to God, "Thy will be done," we stand at the throne of judgment and hear the words, "Thy will be done." and thus the separation from God goes on for eternity. It's all by choice. God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.

This assumes one actually believes all this in the first place. But for someone who doesn't believe any of this, all of this is moot.

You might as well be talking about how I'll be smited by Odin's mighty spear or some such. It just sounds silly.

 

[AV1611VET]

What I want to know is when I am going to get in on the hedonistic lifestyle?

Have you ever employed hedonistic calculus to make a decision?

 

[Speedwell]

Have you ever employed hedonistic calculus to make a decision?

No.

 

[Speedwell]

It's reality, not threats.
We temporarily inhabit this world while we are tested and our character is determined. We do not know how much longer we have; 50 years or twenty minutes. We hear the Lord knocking at our souls but we are more interested in the sounds and distractions of the world around us. We live lives of rebellion, not thinking about tomorrow. We abuse drugs, our spouses and our children. With each year we grow increasingly cynical. We try to convince ourselves there isn't a greater authority by gruffly spouting out disbelief to all who will hear. We separate ourselves from God until the final separation. Not willing to say to God, "Thy will be done," we stand at the throne of judgment and hear the words, "Thy will be done." and thus the separation from God goes on for eternity. It's all by choice. God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.

And here listening to you I got the impression that none of that mattered as long as we believe in a young Earth and a worldwide flood.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

God doesn't cast you out of eternity. You do that yourself.

I love this line, my dad uses it all the time. I can point to places in the Bible where God does the evicting (for example Matthew 7:21-23). What my dad has failed to do is show me where in the Bible it is man who says "God doesn't get to throw me out of heaven, I do. I choose to pick up my things and walk away." Perhaps you could help?

 

[AV1611VET]

I love this line, my dad uses it all the time. I can point to places in the Bible where God does the evicting (for example Matthew 7:21-23). What my dad has failed to do is show me where in the Bible it is man who says "God doesn't get to throw me out of heaven, I do. I choose to pick up my things and walk away." Perhaps you could help?

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Did they choose not to enter or were they stopped from entering?

Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Try again.

Ever heard of Judas Iscariot?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Ever heard of Judas Iscariot?

Played a key role in getting Jesus killed, so without him your religion wouldn't exist but but still given bad press by most Christians? I'm trying very hard to work out how you can twist his story to show man choosing to walk away from heaven. Go on, show me.

 

[UCDavis]

Dr. Jason Lisle is astrophysicist!

 

[JD16]

Jason Lisle
1. If the Bible were not true, logic would not be meaningful.
2. Logic is meaningful.
3. Therefore, the Bible is true.
—Jason Lisle

Jason Lisle - RationalWiki

"Most of Lisle's points just begin with the claim that the Bible must be true, cannot change and so can explain everything and he's no stranger to wall-bangingly circular logic. It shouldn't need to be stated that this is the opposite of what a good scientist should do. So, while he may be a published and qualified scientist, the remarks he makes regarding creationism aren't actually very scientific - indeed, for AiG to use him as a leading scientist is practically a sham, as it leads their audiences to think that his ideas - which aren't really his ideas, just the same old tired arguments - automatically have credibility due to his real PhD. Although he has done research with genuine merit into the sun's heliosphere, Lisle has yet to perform, let alone publish, credible work into starlight or creationism."

This dude wouldn't know logic if it crap on his face and T-bag him to death

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You have to have a foundation from which morality is based. Your morality has roots in nothingness.

I think I know better then you do, what the basis for my morality is.

If you want to have a better understanding, Norman L. Geisler wrote the following in his book A Popular Survey of the Old Testament, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1977. He writes:
"Several factors must be kept in mind in viewing this situation. (1) There is a difference between murder and justifiable killing. Murder involves intentional and malicious hatred which leads to life-taking. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of permissible life-taking in capital punishment (Gen. 9, in self defense (Exod. 22:2), and in a justifiable war (Gen. 14). (2) The Canaanites were by no means innocent. They were a people cursed of God from their very beginning (Gen. 9:25). They were a vile people who practiced the basest forms of immorality. God described their sin vividly in these words, “I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants” (Lev. 18:25). (3) Further, the innocent people of the land were not slaughtered. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). (4) God waited patiently for hundreds of years, giving the wicked inhabitants of Canaan time to repent (cf. 2 Peter 3:9) before He finally decided to destroy them (Gen. 15:16). When their iniquity was “full,” divine judgment fell. God’s judgment was akin to surgery for cancer or amputation of a leg as the only way to save the rest of a sick body. Just as cancer or gangrene contaminates the physical body, those elements in a society—if their evil is left to fester—will completely contaminate the rest of society. (5) Finally, the battle confronting Israel was not simply a religious war; it was a theocratic war. Israel was directly ruled by God and the extermination was God’s direct command (cf. Exod. 23:27-30; Deut. 7:3-6; Josh. 8:24-26). No other nation either before or after Israel has been a theocracy. Thus, those commands were unique. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God. source

Not having any understanding of the above, you presume to be more moral than God whom you accuse of murder.

Sorry, I'm not at all interested in apologetics to justify the mass murder of babies and toddlers or the enslavement of virgin girls as war booty.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Lord gives, the Lord takes away.

"might makes right"

They were like the Jihadists of today; parasites who live to destroy.

So, you are in favor of, when we succeed in the utter destruction of all ISIS jihadists, to also massacre all their babies and toddlers?
You don't see anything wrong with that?

And then you dare say that my morality is grounded in "nothingness".

The "morality" you exhibit here, is pure psychopathy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why does it always come down to threats? Do evangelicals really believe this is the best way of trying to reach a non-believer?

It's just sad.

When all else fails, try to scare them into your club.