Why Christian Creationists Hate Evolution but Muslim Creationists Don’t Care

[JD16]

... and history class.

Well, we just have to agree to disagree on that one

 

[JD16]

Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

We have something worth defending.

I wholeheartedly support the defence of your faith, its only when it goes on that offence that non believers would take issue with.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Great Article.

"“For evangelicals the key boundary and key practice was reading the Bible literally,” said Guhin, and creationism is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis. This is why opposition to evolution is important to Christian creationists. It’s how they police who is in and who is out."

 

[Speedwell]

"For some Christian creationists, the scientific theory of evolution is an existential threat to their faith—one they feel they must publicly oppose. “There is a war in society,” writes Ken Ham, the founder of Kentucky’s Creation Museum, in an excerpt of his book. “The essence of the conflict lies firmly at the foundational level—creation versus evolution.”

Some Muslims Don’t Believe in Evolution Either. Why Are Christians So Much More Zealous About It?

The same point can be made about other Christian groups, some of the Orthodox and Oriental churches for example, which reject evolution and also reject the YEC take on the Bible. Evolution is just not that big a deal for them.

 

[JD16]

The same point can be made about other Christian groups, some of the Orthodox and Oriental churches for example, which reject evolution and also reject the YEC take on the Bible. Evolution is just not that big a deal for them.

Yes, thats true, its only a big issue with creationist

 

[AV1611VET]

I wholeheartedly support the defence of your faith, its only when it goes on that offence that non believers would take issue with.

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Matthew 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

And for the record, that's probably what the squatters (Canaanites) said about the Jews, when they first left Egypt.

 

[JD16]

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Matthew 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

And for the record, that's probably what the squatters (Canaanites) said about the Jews, when they first showed up at Jericho.

If you're talking about proselytizing , that's fine, its the attempt to pass creationism as science that would be the issue...

 

[TLK Valentine]

It works both ways. Evolutionist arn't best buddies with YEC'ers and they are very hostile to any suggestion of allowing creation and evolution to be examined in schools as part of science.

The difference being that Evolutionists don't want it taught as science because it isn't, and creationists don't want it taught as science because it would be taught by actual science teachers... who would eviscerate it.

 

[JD16]

But it's okay to teach our children about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, isn't it?

Sure, of course, just not in a science class

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, of course, just not in a science class

Creationism is not science.

In the creation week, God issued a series of divine fiats that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to its current level today, starting with the Earth.

None of this involved science; none of this left any evidence behind; none of this can be evidenced.

To this end, God put in writing what He did, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Teaching creationism in science class would be like teaching macramé in physical education.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If you're talking about proselytizing , that's fine, its the attempt to pass creationism as science that would be the issue...

Trying to pass it off as history would have the same effect.

 

[TLK Valentine]

... and history class.

Shouldn't history class be reserved for things that actually happened?

 

[AV1611VET]

Shouldn't history class be reserved for things that actually happened?

Yes.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes.

Shouldn't "things that actually happened" be held to a higher standard than "because you said so"?

 

[JD16]

Creationism is not science.

I'm with you on that...

 

[JD16]

To this end, God put in writing what He did, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Un huh, if only he kept to the same story in every different culture around,....that would have save so much unneeded bloodshed throughout human history. The history of mankind is filled with religious violence,.....and we're suffering the effects from it even today,....and unfortunately I don't see it ending anytime soon....

 

[ViaCrucis]

"For some Christian creationists, the scientific theory of evolution is an existential threat to their faith—one they feel they must publicly oppose. “There is a war in society,” writes Ken Ham, the founder of Kentucky’s Creation Museum, in an excerpt of his book. “The essence of the conflict lies firmly at the foundational level—creation versus evolution.”

Some Muslims Don’t Believe in Evolution Either. Why Are Christians So Much More Zealous About It?

There was a significant transformation in Fundamentalist and Evangelical circles in the 1960's and 70's, one that gave rise to the Religious Right. Fundamentalists and Evangelicals weren't very active in the political sphere before then, but that changed with the rise of the Religious Right. One of the leading figures was Francis Schaeffer, who had also been influenced by the teachings of R.J. Rushdoony. On the other hand Schaeffer wasn't Rushdoonyist enough, and so Dominionists such as Gary North weren't too keen on Schaeffer's, perhaps arguably Dominionism Lite.

But perhaps the real credit goes to people like Paul Weyrich.

And so a confluence of Dominionism, Dispensationalist apocalypticism, and also the Moral Majority under Jerry Falwell and others all comes together as a massive political force from the Fundamentalist and Evangelical sector which, ultimately, found itself united to American conservatism through the Reagan Administration (in spite of the fact that Jimmy Carter was an open Evangelical, but not the "right kind" of Evangelical for the new era which brought together Evangelicalism, biblical literalism, and neo-conservatism).

It's primarily an American phenomenon, but one which has been exported to other parts of the world. It provides a world view in which the secular world exists as a hostile power which is seeking to destroy Christian culture, and thus the Christian is engaged in a real spiritual struggle against a diabolical (literally) secular force which wishes to, ultimately, deprive Christians of their freedom to believe and worship freely and, ultimately, bring about a chain of events which will result in the rise of the Antichrist.

It is the apocalyptic element that gives the movement its sense of urgency, that this is a spiritual war to keep America Christian, so that Christian America can serve its prophetic destiny as a "city on a hill" in an Israel-esque way. The issue with evolution is, ultimately, a spiritual war with the satanic and secular forces which seek to de-Christianize our society and serve the powers of the antichrist; as such all must be done to stop it and to do otherwise is to abandon Christ and to serve the devil.

Why, if one believes that Christians are going to be beamed out out of here and not face the oncoming onslaught of the Antichrist, is this such a big deal? Because the great commission, to preach the Gospel. Get as many people Christians as possible so there are more people who can get raptured when the inevitable dark lord of the sith arrives.

However that only really describes the Dispensationalist side, Rushdoony and other classic Dominionists were (and are) Post-Millenialists; and the impetus is different: Post-Millennialism teaches that Christ will return after the Millennium, and that the Millennium is about the kingdom of God expanding across the globe--the dominion of Christ through Christian rule and thus Christians must be in charge of government and every area of civil life, and all civil powers must be brought under and made jubject to God's Law (see the wiki article on Rushdoony concerning Theonomy, or see more about it here).

So whether the impetus is to wage a pre-apocalyptic spiritual battle for the souls of mankind before the coming of the Antichrist or to literally subjugate the world under a Christian banner, the result is still that Christians must work together to take captive the positions of power and influence--government, science, education, etc. For something even more scary, take a look at NAR (New Apostolic Reformation), a Charismatic cult that arose out of the Latter Rain movement of the 20th century which openly promotes and preaches Dominionism: New Apostolic Reformation - Wikipedia

And it's "Seven Mountains" mandate.

The Seven Mountains
7 Cultural Mountains

-CryptoLutheran

 

[TLK Valentine]

To this end, God put in writing what He did, when He did it, how He did it, why He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Because you say so?

 

[AV1611VET]

Shouldn't "things that actually happened" be held to a higher standard than "because you said so"?

With respect to what?

You guys don't want it taught in science class (neither do I).

I suggest it be in history, and you come back with this!?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm with you on that...

It's basic physics.

One doesn't have to be a Rhodes scholar to know that creationism has NOTHING to do with science whatsoever.