Why Argue Against Evolution and a Natural Origin?

[xianghua]

Biology is evolution.

no. evolution is a theory in biology.

 

[xianghua]

You're completely wrong about that.

realy? what we cant understand in biology without evolution? give me a specific example.

 

[HitchSlap]

nvm

 

[HitchSlap]

no. evolution is a theory in biology.

Right, that’s what I’m saying.

 

[HitchSlap]

realy? what we cant understand in biology without evolution? give me a specific example.

Literally everything in biology is understood and best explained through evolution. From lemurs in Madagascar, to marsupials in Australia, and blue eyes in our genome.

When seriously considered, creationism is just a cartoon, and most (every?) creationist doesn't even understand how much creationism can't explain the mountains of evidence and observations we've made in 160 years. Creationists literally have to believe that the Flintstones is a documentary.

 

[Speedwell]

no. you only see variations of the same creatures.

That's correct. It's called evolution by random variation and natural selection. Evolution by repeated speciation--which has been observed in nature. No other process is required to explain the diversity of life as we observe it.

 

[pitabread]

realy? what we cant understand in biology without evolution? give me a specific example.

Broadly speaking, anything to do with explaining genetic variations in populations over time up to and including the diversity of life on this planet. Evolution is the only scientific explanation that exists.

For a more specific example, I'd refer to the distribution of haplotypes in populations. Here are a couple examples:

Experimental Support That Natural Selection Has Shaped the Latitudinal Distribution of Mitochondrial Haplotypes in Australian Drosophila melanogaster

A global view of the OCA2-HERC2 region and pigmentation

 

[xianghua]

Broadly speaking, anything to do with explaining genetic variations in populations over time

are you saying that creation cant explain genetic variation over time?

 

[xianghua]

That's correct. It's called evolution by random variation and natural selection. Evolution by repeated speciation--which has been observed in nature. No other process is required to explain the diversity of life as we observe it.

call it evolution. i will call it just variation.

 

[VirOptimus]

are you saying that creation cant explain genetic variation over time?

Magic can explain everything and therefore nothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Magic can explain everything and therefore nothing.

No, magic can't explain nothing.

Neither can science.

Not when it comes to creatio ex nihilo.

 

[VirOptimus]

No, magic can't explain nothing.

Neither can science.

Not when it comes to creatio ex nihilo.

There is no data supporting the concept of creatio ex nihilo just as there are no data supporting god(s) and/or magic.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no data supporting the concept of creatio ex nihilo ...

That's right.

Thus creatio ex nihilo isn't science.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

And even if it was science, I doubt science could understand it, since science is myopic.

 

[pitabread]

are you saying that creation cant explain genetic variation over time?

Correct.

You'd need a scientific theory of creation for that. No such scientific theory exists.

 

[VirOptimus]

That's right.

Thus creatio ex nihilo isn't science.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

And even if it was science, I doubt science could understand it, since science is myopic.

As there is no data supporting it its a useless concept, as all magic is.

 

[AV1611VET]

As there is no data supporting it ...

What do you expect? a plasma cloud? ion trail? microwave background? time crystals? what exactly?

... as all magic is.

Magic requires deception and academics.

 

[HitchSlap]

What do you expect? a plasma cloud? ion trail? microwave background? time crystals? what exactly?Magic requires deception and academics.

This literally makes zero sense.

 

[VirOptimus]

What do you expect? a plasma cloud? ion trail? microwave background? time crystals? what exactly?Magic requires deception and academics.

I dont expect anything as it didnt happen.

Science does not deal with magic as magic is a metaphysical concept.

 

[Speedwell]

call it evolution. i will call it just variation.

Variation alone is not enough. Evolution requires randomly distributed heritable variation plus natural selection.

 

[Resha Caner]

Evolution (as a whole, including macro, common descent, etc.) has the law, science, academia, and even some religious affiliations on its side, fully supportive, and even protective… which makes it pretty much factual by most standards... doesn’t it?

Why Argue Against Evolution and a Natural Origin?

It's an interesting question, but it appears the thread was derailed after 2 posts. Did anyone ever answer the question? I didn't read all 159 posts.