Why Argue Against Evolution and a Natural Origin?

[inquiring mind]

Translation: Believe and then you'll believe.

Translation correction: Believe and then you'll know the truth.

 

[VirOptimus]

Translation correction: Believe and then you'll know the truth.

No, its belive and then you will belive you know the truth.

 

[xianghua]

Correct.

You'd need a scientific theory of creation for that. No such scientific theory exists.

realy? creation cant explain the existence of mutations?

 

[Jimmy D]

realy? creation cant explain the existence of mutations?

What do these created mutations do?

 

[pitabread]

realy? creation cant explain the existence of mutations?

No it doesn't. As stated, there is no scientific theory of creation, therefore there is nothing to do any explaining.

 

[Yttrium]

No it doesn't. As stated, there is no scientific theory of creation, therefore there is nothing to do any explaining.

Theologically, I think the standard creationist explanation is that mutations arise from the fall of man after the Garden of Eden apple incident, which affected all of nature. Consequently, they have quite a bias to believe that mutations must nearly always be harmful, outside of some lucky happenstances. It's an explanation, even if it isn't a scientific one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Theologically, I think the standard creationist explanation is that mutations arise from the fall of man after the Garden of Eden apple incident, which affected all of nature. Consequently, they have quite a bias to believe that mutations must nearly always be harmful, outside of some lucky happenstances. It's an explanation, even if it isn't a scientific one.

IF a mutation is beneficial, then it's by way of:

One step forward, two steps back.

 

[Yttrium]

IF a mutation is beneficial, then it's by way of:

One step forward, two steps back.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[pitabread]

Theologically, I think the standard creationist explanation is that mutations arise from the fall of man after the Garden of Eden apple incident, which affected all of nature. Consequently, they have quite a bias to believe that mutations must nearly always be harmful, outside of some lucky happenstances. It's an explanation, even if it isn't a scientific one.

I don't consider that an explanation though, since it doesn't explain how such an occurrence happened. Not to mention it's completely unsubstantiated to begin with.

 

[inquiring mind]

Theologically, I think the standard creationist explanation is that mutations arise from the fall of man after the Garden of Eden apple incident, which affected all of nature. Consequently, they have quite a bias to believe that mutations must nearly always be harmful, outside of some lucky happenstances. It's an explanation, even if it isn't a scientific one.

Occasionally I see a response that I deem an addition to my notes. I just wanted you to know this is one of them.

 

[xianghua]

No it doesn't. As stated, there is no scientific theory of creation, therefore there is nothing to do any explaining.

so a designer cant make mutations? what can i say...

 

[pitabread]

so a designer cant make mutations? what can i say...

Correct. In this context, a designer doesn't make mutations. In general, mutations are by definition random DNA copying errors that occur during DNA replication.

We already know how mutations occur in nature. We don't need to invoke a designer to explain them.

 

[inquiring mind]

Mutations are by definition random DNA copying errors that occur during DNA replication.

Only if randomness is actually random.

We already know how mutations occur in nature. We don't need to invoke a designer to explain them.

It's nice God gave you that much insight... ain't it?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[xianghua]

Correct. In this context, a designer doesn't make mutations. In general, mutations are by definition random DNA copying errors that occur during DNA replication.

so a designer cant make a mechanism that base on DNA with mutations but a natural process can?.

 

[Yttrium]

so a designer cant make a mechanism that base on DNA with mutations but a natural process can?.

He's saying that a designer wouldn't make the mutations directly. The designer could still make the DNA, and mutations could pop up in successive generations. A created individual wouldn't have mutations pretty much by definition.

 

[xianghua]

He's saying that a designer wouldn't make the mutations directly. The designer could still make the DNA, and mutations could pop up

great. so we can explain anything in biology by creation too. and thus we dont need evolution to explain it.

 

[Yttrium]

great. so we can explain anything in biology by creation too. and thus we dont need evolution to explain it.

Sure, you can make a God of the gaps explanation. For some reason, an intelligent designer creates new species here and there over the several billion years, following some kind of pattern that the ID prefers. It can fit all the known evidence quite nicely.

It won't count as a scientific theory though, because scientific theories need to be falsifiable, and a vague intelligent designer isn't falsifiable. Meanwhile, evolution theory also fits all the evidence, and it is a scientific theory. You can have the scientific theory taught in schools, and the alternative taught in churches, and take your pick on which one you like best.

 

[pitabread]

so a designer cant make a mechanism that base on DNA with mutations but a natural process can?.

As stated, we already know how mutations occur naturally. We don't need to invoke a designer to explain it.

 

[pitabread]

great. so we can explain anything in biology by creation too. and thus we dont need evolution to explain it.

This is incorrect. There is no scientific theory of creation and consequently no explanation thereof.

If you think otherwise, I started a thread where you can begin explaining in detail how a designer would have created and/or modified life on Earth: Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth

Have fun.