Why aren't you a muslim?

[XatuGravelz]

I agree, but the ability to forgive sins is.

The proof that no other religion does this, but yours does is....

You cannot use the bible.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The proof that no other religion does this, but yours does is....

You cannot use the bible.

Why not?

 

[salida]

I can give you millions of reasons. The most important ones are the islamic religion didn't start until around 550AD - the jewish and christian faith is older than this. Why would I believe something that came much later? Also, the muslims don't have a book that shows that it could come from God (Koran) even though they keep claiming this with words. The bible does have hundreds of detailed prophesies that has come true and more to come. About bible below:

Biblical Evidence – This is a very small amount of information
out of large amounts of information out there.

Internal Evidences-Prophesies that are confirmed with Bible;

mentioning only a few – but there are hundreds.

Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen. 49:10, Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke’s time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5, Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 – four kingdoms are described in the interpretation
of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek – Daniel 8:21, 10:20/ and a fourth great kingdom to follow which was part iron and clay – which is the
Roman Empire – during this empire, Christ came and the church was established – Daniel 2:44.

Historical Accuracy

The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events of hundreds of years ago, yet
none of them has been proven to be incorrect.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents)
New Testament – starts at 25 years – between the original and surviving copies
Homer- starts at 500 years/Demosthenes – at 1400 years/Plato – at 1200 years/
Caesar – at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies

New Testament – 5,686/Homer – 643/Demosthenes – 200/Plato – 7/Caesar – 10

Consistency – Written by 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no
Internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration- It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences

(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never to be built again- and they haven’t.
Niveveh – Nahum 1:10, 3:7, 15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon – Isaiah 13:1-22
Tyre -Ezekiel 26:1-28

Bible before Science

He hangs the earth on nothing – Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago – some scholars think it could have been even 3000
years ago)
Note: Man only knew the above for 350 years.
Earth is a sphere – Isaiah 40:22/Air has weight – Job 28:25/
Gravity – Job 26:7, Job 38: 31-33/Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True

Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogical Evidence (Still adding to this list today- it hasn’t stopped)
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel


**The Koran doesn't do this at all but it calls christians and jews - apes and pigs. And it says kill the infidel where you find him which is a jew, christian and a nonmuslim. No, not my type of religion- No thanks!!

 

[AV1611VET]

My question is: Why aren't you a muslim?

The Muslims won't have me.

 

[314159]

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That's a terrible thing to say. Thousands of christians are motivated through their religion to kill people as well. That doesn't mean I go round posting sweeping statements about Christians.

 

[314159]

The most important ones are the islamic religion didn't start until around 550AD - the jewish and christian faith is older than this. Why would I believe something that came much later?

Christianity came much later than the gods of ancient Greece, so by your argument, you should believe in the greek gods, since they're older?

 

[AV1611VET]

Thousands of christians are motivated through their religion to kill people as well.

In spite of the Bible, or in respect to the Bible?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

That's a terrible thing to say. Thousands of christians are motivated through their religion to kill people as well.

Really? Where in the Bible are Christians told to kill anybody?

 

[AV1611VET]

Really? Where in the Bible are Christians told to kill anybody?

Must be in the NIV - (New Internet Version).

[And my prayers go up for your brother-in-law.]

 

[synger]

Please do not let this get into a thread about Muslim-bashing. The question on the table is, if you are not a Muslim, why not? Please try to keep it to issues of general faith and practice, not the bad example of a subset of fanatics. Every religion has those.

 

[AdJesumPerMariam]

PLEASE NOTE, IF YOUR POST IS MISSING, WE ARE WORKING ON A THREAD CLEAN UP IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS THREAD OPEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING

 

[314159]

Really? Where in the Bible are Christians told to kill anybody?

The following excerpt from Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 seems to make the message fairly clear:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Anyway, the main point of that post was to express my disbeleif that you could generalise muslims in the way you did. There are minorities in both Christianity and Islam that behave violently because of their religion. Looks like your offensive post got deleted?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The following excerpt from Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 seems to make the message fairly clear:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Anyway, the main point of that post was to express my disbeleif that you could generalise muslims in the way you did. There are minorities in both Christianity and Islam that behave violently because of their religion. Looks like your offensive post got deleted?

No, you said Christians kill in the name of Christianity so I asked you where the Bible tells Christians to kill, not where it tells Old Covenant nation of Israel to kill.

Now, where in the Bible are Christians ever told to kill?

 

[salida]

Oh, so your bringing up the ancient greece gods now. Actually the jews are the oldest here in this case. So if I was born in that time period hopefully I would been a jew. But Acts 17 says that each man was born in a certain place, time period so that they may know God. What this means is that each person is born in a specific place and time period to hightened their chances of knowing God and turning to Him.

Christians are an extension of the jews - the New Testament has fulfilled the Old Testament because Jesus came and became the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Oh, yeah Muslims are told to kill in the Koran.






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[salida]

314159 -

In the Old Testament when a jew went and served a pagan god - they would go through Gods judgement and thus, were under the law. This protected the jews as a whole from false pagan gods. If no judgement came, this jew would mostly cause other jews to go to pagan gods and now you have one big mess. (Note: One needs to understand the time period and the intent). God protected the jews specifically and strictly in the Old Testament when they obeyed him as a nation.

Jews didn't go around killing people and making them convert to their religion unlike the radical muslims do. And thus, if they didn't convert they were killed. Give me a break!

 

[DanielRB]

Hi salida,

314159 -

In the Old Testament when a jew went and served a pagan god - they would go through Gods judgement and thus, were under the law. This protected the jews as a whole from false pagan gods. If no judgement came, this jew would mostly cause other jews to go to pagan gods and now you have one big mess. (Note: One needs to understand the time period and the intent). God protected the jews specifically and strictly in the Old Testament when they obeyed him as a nation.

Jews didn't go around killing people and making them convert to their religion unlike the radical muslims do. And thus, if they didn't convert they were killed. Give me a break!

Your last point is absolutely true. The Canaanite's weren't given the option of converting; they were just to be killed, period. Of course, some slipped through the cracks, and God got really mad at Israel for that. Every man, woman and child was to be killed.

However, though I used to be offended by what the Bible said about killing the Canaanites, I have ceased to be. If you believe that God is all-powerful, then any death or murder could have been prevented by God--if not directely decreed by him. Criticising the Bible for the flood or the conquest of Canaan is just nit-picking, assuming God is all-powerful. Every old man, young baby, nursing mother or whoever dies, dies because God either directly causes it or allows it to happen when it would cost him nothing to prevent it. That's part of being all-powerful.

And if that sounds to horrible to believe, then people should accept a little, limited God who is too weak to stop these things, just wringing his hands in heaven at his impotence to stop evil. That certainly isn't the kind of God that I see pictured in either the Bible or Quran.

Daniel

 

[314159]

Now, where in the Bible are Christians ever told to kill?

Apologies, I don't know the new testament well enough to find a quote (if one even exists).

However, the murderers who kill abortion doctors (for example) do so in the name of Christianity, even if the instructions cannot be found explicitly in the bible. They are undeniably motivated by their belief in God to do these acts.

EDIT: Found a verse from Luke, have to admit I found it on the internet so you can let me know if it's genuine:

Luke 19:27
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Luke 19 is a parable concerning the second coming and the final fate of those that rebel against God rather than a command for Christians to go out and kill the heathen.

But there have been many bad things been done in the name of God, by Christians and others. However, am not sure people make a choice of religion based on the errors of others.

On a more of a direct comparison, Islam does not have a resurrected Messiah, so if we were making a choice would think that aspect alone would give Christianity an edge.

 

[314159]

Luke 19 is a parable concerning the second coming and the final fate of those that rebel against God rather than a command for Christians to go out and kill the heathen.

But there have been many bad things been done in the name of God, by Christians and others. However, am not sure people make a choice of religion based on the errors of others.

On a more of a direct comparison, Islam does not have a resurrected Messiah, so if we were making a choice would think that aspect alone would give Christianity an edge.

The problem is, we don't pick and choose our beliefs, we are simply bound to believe what we consider the most probable to be true. So saying one religion has an "advantage" over another won't make it more believable for me.

 

[tansy]

The problem is, we don't pick and choose our beliefs, we are simply bound to believe what we consider the most probable to be true. So saying one religion has an "advantage" over another won't make it more believable for me.

There's actually a bit more to it than that....but I won't go into it now