Why are we not following the science on the leading cause of preventable death?

[Always in His Presence]

Would you support that? Wouldn't you protest if smoking becomes forbidden anywhere including in your home?
Or is this just another way to attack covid related mandates?

Actually, I do take the same position with tobacco and alcohol that I do with the Covid vaccine. There is a thing called personal responsibility. If you are ignorant enough to bring toxins into your body - you reap what you sow. BTW I don't think the government should use our tax dollars to assist people who do such things. I feel the same way about Covid.

That is why I don't drink - don't smoke and am fully vaccinated.

As for the spread - second hand smoking and drunk driving kill also, but no one is mandating the end to it.

You have all the facts here and very compiling. I am just wondering why the pro-life congress which was elected in 2017 or the pro-life administration which was in WH in 2017 didn’t ban smoking? Do you know why?

Do I know why? No any more than you do, but if I were to venture an opinion:

It seems most likely for the very same reason why the current Pro Abortion Democratic Leadership and the other previous administrations both Republican and Democratic never have.

MONEY

 

[Always in His Presence]

The point of the entire discussion, as you know very well to attack those of us who support vaccine mandate. Absolutely nothing to do with logic!

I am not attacking anyone - how do I prove that? I have mentioned no one. I simply presented an argument that someone observed:

~snip

You have all the facts here and very compiling.

I think you meant compelling. I do not know what compilling is....​

Then asked a very logical question comparing disease with disease and with one being completely preventable. I then stated proof of the claim and asked why the one preventable disease is still taking 480,000 lives a year and no one is mandating the end to it.

 

[Belk]

Actually, I do take the same position with tobacco and alcohol that I do with the Covid vaccine. There is a thing called personal responsibility. If you are ignorant enough to bring toxins into your body - you reap what you sow. BTW I don't think the government should use our tax dollars to assist people who do such things. I feel the same way about Covid.

That is why I don't drink - don't smoke and am fully vaccinated.

As for the spread - second hand smoking and drunk driving kill also, but no one is mandating the end to it.



Do I know why? No any more than you do, but if I were to venture an opinion:

It seems most likely for the very same reason why the current Pro Abortion Democratic Leadership and the other previous administrations both Republican and Democratic never have.

MONEY

You have got to be kidding.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You have got to be kidding.

Nope - serious as can be.

 

[Belk]

Nope - serious as can be.

I'm flabbergasted that anyone would seriously try to claim no one has mandated an end to DUI.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I'm flabbergasted that anyone would seriously try to claim no one has mandated an end to DUI.

So am I - point them out - who said it?

I was speaking of drinking alcohol and DUI is a result of alcohol that effects others. Want to stop DUI - stop alcohol consumption.

Making a DUI illegal is not the same as a mandate calling for the end of alcohol consumption.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I am not attacking anyone - how do I prove that? I have mentioned no one. I simply presented an argument that someone observed:

~snip


I think you meant compelling. I do not know what compilling is....​

Then asked a very logical question comparing disease with disease and with one being completely preventable. I then stated proof of the claim and asked why the one preventable disease is still taking 480,000 lives a year and no one is mandating the end to it.

A flaw in your comparison is that the 480k is from multiple different causes of death vs one disease caused by one type of infectious agent. Some of that is from heart/cardiovascular disease like heart attacks, stroke, high blood pressure, others are from different types of lung disease like COPD, emphysema, etc and also from various different types of cancers do you’re actually comparing death counts from like 20 different diseases to just one disease from a specific virus.

 

[Belk]

So am I - point them out - who said it?

I was speaking of drinking alcohol and DUI is a result of alcohol that effects others. Want to stop DUI - stop alcohol consumption.

Making a DUI illegal is not the same as a mandate calling for the end of alcohol consumption.

I see. So you are not ignoring the fact that both DUI and second hand smoke are being regulated against. The sole issue is you are not understanding why we are treating consumption of alcohol and smoking in a different fashion then a pandemic?

 

[Blade]

If were talking smoking among the young I think its at the top and covid is the 2nd from the last This is like a list of 8 things that kill our young.

We that love the lord need to be in prayer!

 

[Always in His Presence]

A flaw in your comparison is that the 480k is from multiple different causes of death vs one disease caused by one type of infectious agent. Some of that is from heart/cardiovascular disease like heart attacks, stroke, high blood pressure, others are from different types of lung disease like COPD, emphysema, etc and also from various different types of cancers do you’re actually comparing death counts from like 20 different diseases to just one disease from a specific virus.

Incorrect - read the link - the cause for all of the 480,000 deaths a year is from the act of smoking.

You do realize that the vast majority of Covid deaths have had other issues also, like diabetes, overweight, heart and breathing issues to begin with. The deaths are connected to a number different mitigating circumstances, not from just a specific virus.

Smoking, like the virus is the common thread with all the deaths we are comparing. Eliminate the virus - eliminate the deaths from the virus visa vi eliminate smoking and eliminate the deaths from smoking.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I see. So you are not ignoring the fact that both DUI and second hand smoke are being regulated against. The sole issue is you are not understanding why we are treating consumption of alcohol and smoking in a different fashion then a pandemic?

Regulated - not banned, not mandated to end the action.

Can we regulate the virus the same?

 

[Belk]

Regulated - not banned, not mandated to end the action.

Yes. DUI is banned not drinking.

Can we regulate the virus the same?

How? How do you ban people from going out when carrying the virus when they don't know if they are a carrier?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Yes. DUI is banned not drinking.



How? How do you ban people from going out when carrying the virus when they don't know if they are a carrier?

If you cannot force someone to stop drinking and you cannot force someone to stop smoking. How can you force someone to undergo a medical procedure?

How would you react to people being fired for failing a hair folical test for nicotine and alcohol?

 

[Belk]

If you cannot force someone to stop drinking and you cannot force someone to stop smoking. How can you force someone to undergo a medical procedure?

How would you react to people being fired for failing a hair folical test for nicotine and alcohol?

You mean like getting an ultrasound? Seems to be no issue with that and as I recall the SCOTUS has a precedent for vaccines.

Here is my issue. If this was simply a personal preference and had no effect on others I would fully be behind the freedom to choose on getting vaccinated or not. The fact is that everyone is being negatively affected because we can't get the numbers up to the point where our healthcare systems are not overwhelmed.

Do I like the idea of a mandate? No. Will I support it so we can stop more hundreds of thousands dying? Yes.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Really? Because I've made my own choices about what to eat, drink and what meds to take ever since becoming an adult.

Nonsense.

Go down in front of your police station and try injecting yourself with something and see what they do. Make it heroin or meth and see what they do, see what "freedoms" you have to "choose what you put into your body". Or if you don't want to inject, take some pills or drugs that you have no prescription for out of a ziploc bag in front of the cops and see what they do.

Let me know if the police support your "freedom to choose" what you put in your own body.

 

[7thKeeper]

The distinction is really not a difficult one to grasp.

Yes it is when the purpose of the discussion isn't so much how harmful tobacco is but trying to downplay Covid with the implication that we aren't doing so much about something else.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Here is my issue. If this was simply a personal preference and had no effect on others I would fully be behind the freedom to choose on getting vaccinated or not. The fact is that everyone is being negatively affected because we can't get the numbers up to the point where our healthcare systems are not overwhelmed.

Do I like the idea of a mandate? No. Will I support it so we can stop more hundreds of thousands dying? Yes.

substitute cigarettes in your statement:

Here is my issue. If this was simply a personal preference and had no effect on others I would fully be behind the freedom to choose on smoking or not. The fact is that everyone is being negatively affected because we can't continue to let close to a half million people die every year from a preventable disease.

Do I like the idea of a mandate? No. Will I support it so we can stop 480 hundreds of thousands dying?

Do you still agree with your statement?

 

[Belk]

substitute cigarettes in your statement:

Here is my issue. If this was simply a personal preference and had no effect on others I would fully be behind the freedom to choose on smoking or not. The fact is that everyone is being negatively affected because we can't continue to let close to a half million people die every year from a preventable disease.

Do I like the idea of a mandate? No. Will I support it so we can stop 480 hundreds of thousands dying?

Do you still agree with your statement?

Nope, sure don't. Likely because smoking and a pandemic are not interchangeable.

 

[rambot]

As for the spread - second hand smoking and drunk driving kill also, but no one is mandating the end to it.

No one is mandating?
Where I live you can get a ticket for smoking in a car with kids. You cannot smoke in restaurants. You cannot smoke indoors, basically anywhere.
So.....what are you talking about "no one is mandating an end to it"? It's not permitted.

And drunk drivers? What?
I don't konw if you were aware but drunk driving is actually illegal and you can lose your licence, huge fines, jail time. What kind of mandate does it require in your mind?

 

[renniks]

Nonsense.

Go down in front of your police station and try injecting yourself with something and see what they do. Make it heroin or meth and see what they do, see what "freedoms" you have to "choose what you put into your body". Or if you don't want to inject, take some pills or drugs that you have no prescription for out of a ziploc bag in front of the cops and see what they do.

Let me know if the police support your "freedom to choose" what you put in your own body.

I think you missed the point. We were talking about food, drink and medicine and suddenly it's about heroin?