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Why are we accountable if we did not ask to be exist?

Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by dc87, May 17, 2017.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    No one is born with a spirit that is saved, nor that is conformed to Christ.
    Everyone is born dead - dead in sin, dead in trespasses - no exceptions except Christ.
    So yes, in that way, everyone , everyone on earth, is doomed.
    Then,
    before you die, if you come to Christ, just as you are (even 'doomed') , Christ will not reject you.
    He came to save men from sin and from death and from the enemy.
    If you come to Him, He will save you - He never turns anyone away who comes to Him to be healed and saved.

    THEN, after you come to Him, He may give you a new spirit - "BORN AGAIN"! ALIVE IN CHRIST !
    BY THE WILL of the FATHER from Heaven. THEN you have a standing with Him,
    THEN you can freely ask Him whatever you need, and He will answer you and provide all that is needed (no, not a so-called prosperity thing)...

    You don't have to come to Him to be saved - no one has to come to Him to be saved -
    most people reject Him and remain unsaved. He never takes away that free will to choose in this life, until death or earlier point in life determined/ decided by the Father.

    Everyone is doomed, basically . The Way, The Truth, The Life , IS JESUS.

    There is no other Way, no other Truth, no other Life - no other WAY to the FATHER.

    Choose today, He Says, to serve YHWH, or continue to serve the devil / flesh/ the world (all bad).

    One Way is Life, everlasting; the other way is death and destruction.
     
  2. Old Lioness

    Old Lioness New Member

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    You may not have been asked to exist, But God did. Being as it is said that He knew us before we were even born. Now your question is perfectly ligit. and no one knows WHY we were 'chosen' to be born.

    This is something we will find out when we meet Him after we die or get raptured. But, we are here on this earth because it is God's will...

    Mayhap too if you would stop and think that God chose you for a purpose? like he chose Moses, and other prophets and evangelists to spread the word?
    Jeremiah 1:5
    “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”


    THIS IS A BIGGEE.......John 15:16
    You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

    Now if you were to look at this as a gift and not as a curse, and look around at the beautiful things that God has given us to enjoy, and develop, and use it as ...an ADVENTURE...and each day you get up, and face the world as a Challenge that can be good or bad...Right now if you were to take the opportunity of seeing your life as a blessing and then start exploring it as a GOOD thing, and not as a curse, you may then be able to see the reason WHY God chose you to be born.
    You are here now, and YES, you have been given a CHOICE to take this life and run with it with God's help if you were to ASK HIM into your life thus, believe me your questions will be answered by the TEACHER and Guide that He has given all those that seek truth, and peace, and if we have an open heart and mind, you will then see that being 'held responsible' is NOT that difficult. It is no more difficult than the rules of your parents, or the LAWS of the land that we must follow.
    Let me ask you something here..WHEN you follow those rules of your parents and the LAws of the land..you find your life a lot easier to live don't you. You have a guide line in which to calm you in times of trouble because you have been taught right from wrong...God's MORAL laws are no different.
    So, please realize that life is precious, and if you would allow yourself to enjoy the beauty of God's creations, and guideposts and accept Him into your life as your savior, I PROMISE you that this question will dissolve like bubbles in water.

    Jeremiah 29:11

    For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
    Romans 5:1-21
    Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. ..
    Ephesians 2:10
    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    So, stop and think here...you're here now, so, make the best of it....you do have a choice, so you know the right choices...it's easier to do this than fight it.
     
  3. Si_monfaith

    Si_monfaith Let God alone answer through us

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    God can never be seen as the author of sin or evil regardless of the truth that all human choices originate in Him. Why?

    If man hadn't chosen the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of eden, man could not know that whatever God did was evil or sin.

    It was not God's will for man to possess the knowledge of good and evil. Only God can help you to not think in terms of the knowledge of good and evil.
     
  4. Instrument150

    Instrument150 Active Member

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    I have asked this question myself.

    Here is the answer:

    He doesn't hold you accountable for anything. In fact, to prove this, he came down in the form of a man to shed his own blood and accept the penalty for sin: which is death. Which wasn't created by you. You were cursed with it. God gifted you with life so that He could also gift you with Life Eternal. He loves you way more than any of the people on here judging you for a question, and so do I.
     
  5. dc87

    dc87 Member

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    but that is not enough apparently
     
  6. dc87

    dc87 Member

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    Matthew 12:36-37

    ..... um....
     
  7. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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  8. AservantofGodandthelordJC

    AservantofGodandthelordJC New Member

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    God has given humanity free will and with that free will, you can return to him or condemn yourself to a long climb back.
     
  9. DarkSoul999

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    Those passages can only make sense if God is not directly acting. He is allowing the consequences of the parents' actions to affect the descendants. If he removed those consequences then the children would hold up their foolish parents as role models and would never learn anything.
     
  10. Noxot

    Noxot far away Supporter

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    I don't think most of us could say whether we asked to be born or not, maybe we just forgot that we wanted to be.

    what constitutes your views of God and religion shall birth love or hate or whatever else you perceive depending on how you feel about what you think is the truth and I would guess that your very wondering and disagreement about your fate could be inspiration from God to lead you to a better place.

    as a spiritual practice you could keep thinking greater and greater kataphatic thoughts of the good nature of God who is love and eventually you might get locked up in divine abstraction if your heart is pure towards seeking God. but the spirit works in many ways. one of my greatest revelations of God was when I thought he forsook me and that was when I was free to see what was in my own heart and it turned out that God wants what I want more than I could ever want and so I have a great eternal and infinite hope because I know that God is not my enemy and that he loves me and that there are things very many people are unable to accept but that like a child you could know.

    each person is unique and God awaits our full blooming and if he does not have one of us then a part of his own heart would be missing.
     
  11. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Maybe the whole thing about God´s judgement is a misconception?
     
  12. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That would be every man's desire but according to the Bible not true.

    We must be on the lookout for self-deception.

    I can fool myself so quickly.

    M-Bob
     
  13. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Yep.
     
  14. JoeP222w

    JoeP222w Well-Known Member

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    Romans 9:10-23 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, (11) though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— (12) she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” (13) As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (14) What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! (15) For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” (16) So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. (17) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” (18) So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (19) You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” (20) But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” (21) Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (22) What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, (23) in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
     
  15. AservantofGodandthelordJC

    AservantofGodandthelordJC New Member

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    I'd like to give another answer to this. God created you in his image, he did not create what you see now, you did. You are unaware of God's creation, the true meaning behind your question. But that is good news because you have absolutely no idea how good his creation truly is. You must give up yours for his.

    You are accountable for what you created in his place. Hell is the amount of time it takes you to do this. But I swear that it is inevitable that all will return to him, EVERYONE no matter how bad they were, God forgives all. Any form of negativity does not exist eternally.

    " 'Those who walk righteously and speak what is right, who reject gain from extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes, who stop their ears against plots of murder and shut their eyes against contemplating evil they are the ones who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the mountain fortress. Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail them' (Isaiah 33:15-16)."

    watch?v=mXQVKx0IKN4
     
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  16. dc87

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    whoa... are you saying hell is not eternal? i think that would contradict scripture....
     
  17. AservantofGodandthelordJC

    AservantofGodandthelordJC New Member

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    It is eternal as long as one chooses to ignore the truth and remain there, but no one will. It is like a building, it is a man-made construct, only eternal as long as it is tended to but it will eventually corrode and fade away. It exists in eternity but cannot exist for eternity.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017
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