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Why are there two dates for Easter?

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I have known for years a few Christian denominations in Eastern Europe celebrate Good Friday and Easter one week later than most Christians every year. But because Jesus was crucified and died during Passover, Crucifixion Day and Resurrection Day can't be celebrated one week after Passover. They must all be celebrated the same weekend everywhere Christians live. Scripture is very clear about this, even if you can't figure out which day of the week Jesus died on.

Edit: Sorry about the duplicate thread.
 
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I celebrate Passover instead of Easter since Christ became our Passover and that's what Easter means really. I take communion in his name on that day. And I do on the day that our Father set out for passover -14 days after the Spring Equinox/Nisan .Christ was also crucified on 14/Nisan. That never changes. Our calendars do.
 
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They must all be celebrated the same weekend everywhere Christians live. Scripture is very clear about this, even if you can't figure out which day of the week Jesus died on.

Please cite the scripture that tells us we are to celebrate Easter or when we are to celebrate it.
 
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Please cite the scripture that tells us we are to celebrate Easter or when we are to celebrate it.

So you think we are not supposed to celebrate Easter at all, despite the fact Jesus told us to honor him at the Passover meal?
 
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So you think we are not supposed to celebrate Easter at all, despite the fact Jesus told us to honor him at the Passover meal?

No, I believe it is fitting for us to celebrate Easter. I question that the Bible gives us instructions as claimed in the OP as to when or how to remember His death and celebrate His resurrection. "Do this in remembrance of me" is pretty non-specific as far as instructions go, in my opinion. I dispute that scripture is as clear as thought in the OP.
 
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I celebrate Passover instead of Easter since Christ became our Passover and that's what Easter means really. I take communion in his name on that day. And I do on the day that our Father set out for Passover - 14 days after the Spring Equinox/Nisan Christ was also crucified on 14/Nisan. That never changes. Our calendars do.

Christ's death would be meaningless without the Resurrection.
 
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I have known for years a few Christian denominations in Eastern Europe celebrate Good Friday and Easter one week later than most Christians every year. But because Jesus was crucified and died during Passover, Crucifixion Day and Resurrection Day can't be celebrated one week after Passover. They must all be celebrated the same weekend everywhere Christians live. Scripture is very clear about this, even if you can't figure out which day of the week Jesus died on.

Edit: Sorry about the duplicate thread.

In short, it's an Orthodox thing. They use a slightly different calendar for determining the date than the West does. Orthodox Easter: Why are there two Easters? - CBBC Newsround
PS: There is no Scripture saying we must celebrate either Good Friday or Easter. (Colossians 2:16) That said, I am perfectly happy to observe both, as our faith does hinge upon Christ's death and resurrection.
 
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There is no Scripture saying we must celebrate either Good Friday or Easter. (Colossians 2:16) That said, I am perfectly happy to observe both, as our faith does hinge upon Christ's death and resurrection.

There are specific instructions in the Old Testament to celebrate Passover. That is why practicing Jews eat the exact same meal every year.
 
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There are specific instructions in the Old Testament to celebrate Passover. That is why practicing Jews eat the exact same meal every year.

I'll grant that. However, that OT ruling does not extend to Holy Week as observed by the majority of Christians. About the closest we get is "as often as you [observe the Eucharist], this do in remembrance of me."
 
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There are specific instructions in the Old Testament to celebrate Passover. That is why practicing Jews eat the exact same meal every year.
And we have scriptures which ones understand to mean, that now we are no longer under that law of Moses covenant with its specific feast days and celebrations.

But now we are with Jesus, and having Jesus changes everything . . . to better and always.

We need to be feeding on Jesus Himself within us so we become and love like Him. And this is all the time. So, by constantly submitting to God and feeding on how Jesus is and loves, we are always celebrating His death and resurrection.

We live His death by loving the way Jesus was loving, on the cross; this is commanded >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

And we live His resurrection by being in His love which has His almighty power of the resurrection of the Holy Spirit. This power of love almighty "casts out fear" (in 1 John 4:18), and the almighty power of His peace in this love "will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7) And this power of Jesus Christ's love keeps us all-loving, and feeding the life of Jesus to one another, along with Jesus who rose "a life-giving spirit." (in 1 Corinthians 15:45) We in Jesus are life-giving now in the resurrection power of God's love . . . ministering His own grace which changes our character so we are and love like Jesus and grow in this > 1 Peter 4:9-10.

This does not come with keeping track of where the sun and earth and moon are in relation with each other so we can know what time of year it is; but we keep with Jesus, all the time. But it is good to have special days for celebrating and telling people about all the good that God has done :clap::groupray::wave::oldthumbsup:
 
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I have known for years a few Christian denominations in Eastern Europe celebrate Good Friday and Easter one week later than most Christians every year. But because Jesus was crucified and died during Passover, Crucifixion Day and Resurrection Day can't be celebrated one week after Passover. They must all be celebrated the same weekend everywhere Christians live. Scripture is very clear about this, even if you can't figure out which day of the week Jesus died on.

Edit: Sorry about the duplicate thread.

Firstly, as @prodromos @dzheremi and my other Orthodox friends can explain, the Pope lacked the authority to unilaterally change the Calendar and thus the Paschalion (the method for calculating the date for Easter defined at the Council of Nicea) and so most Eastern Christians, with the exception of the Assyrian Church of the East, the Finnish Orthodox Church, the three Syriac Orthodox jurisdictions in India, and the Armenians outside of the Holy Land, celebrate Pascha (Easter) according to the Julian Calendar rather than the Gregorian Calendar, with the largest Eastern and Oriental Orthodox denominations* using them exclusively. There are also Eastern Orthodox Old Calendarists, mainly Greek and Romanian, like the Genuine Orthodox Church, which will not enter into communion with any Orthodox church that is in communion with a church using the Gregorian Calendar for any purpose, for example, to set the date of feasts not connected to Pascha (thus, they are not in communion with any canonical Eastern Orthodox Church, which they perjoratively call “world Orthodoxy,” and the one thing they hate more than the New Calendar is anything connected to ecumenism, ecumenical dialogue and ecumenical reconciliation; I understand and sympathize with their concerns, but the Moscow Patriarchate under Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev has done a brilliant job working with other denominations and also the late evangelist Billy Graham, who assisted them greatly in decades past, with their explicit blessing, by using his international reputation to gain admittance to the USSR to preach the Gospel to large crowds during an era when Orthodox priests were banned by the Communist government from preaching or catechizing the youth).

Now, the theory of the Paschalion, the method for calculating the date of Easter, is that it should always occur on the first Sunday after the vernal equinox. We can no longer rely on Judaism to tell us when Passover is, because after the destruction of the Temple and the devastation of Jerusalem and expulsion of its Jewish population following the Bar Kochba revolt, as any Karaite Jew will tell you, the Rabinnical Jews moved to a fixed calendar system and as a result the dates of Passover no longer were consistent with what they had been during the era of Second Temple Judaism. Unfortunately we do not know if the Karaite method, which is based on observations of the Barley crop and lunar cycles is correct either, and also changes to the genetics of barley which happen naturally over time, like with other plant and animal species, and the ability of fluctuations in the weather and other external environmental factors to influence the growth of the plant, make its sprouting unreliable as a time measurement.

This rules out Quartodecimianism as the basis for calculating Pascha; it also rules out relying on any surviving branch of Judaism. Thus we have the Paschalion, or the Computus, which represents a best-effort compromise to get us as close to the anniversary of the Passion and the Resurrection of our Lord as possible.

Now unfortunately for the Julian Calendar, it turns out the length of the year is shorter than 365.25 days. However, as the rotation of the Earth slows, the Julian calendar will eventually become more accurate, surpassing the Gregorian calendar in a few thousand years. The Orthodox also argue that Pope Gregory (I forget which one, not Pope Gregory I however, who is venerated as a saint by the Eastern Orthodox as Pope Gregory Dialogos, and who made remarks which, along with canons 6 and 7 of the Council of Nicaea, are contrary to the doctrine of Papal supremacy) over compensated, thus resulting in Gregorian Easter as celebrated in the West in some occasions aligning either with the Rabinnical Jewish passover, that the Church and the Karaite Jews regard as incorrectly calculated, or preceding the vernal equinox, both of which are considered error conditions if we follow the computational method of the Paschalion as adopted at the Council of Nicaea.

However those churches using the Gregorian calendar, which initially excluded but later included the Protestants, do so on the basis of Christian unity and convenience. In officially Christian countries where Good Friday is a holiday, calendar standardization is also of great benefit In Finland, for example, the Finnish Government regards both the Lutheran and Orthodox churches as state religions and wants them to celebrate Pascha on the same day, and since Finnish Lutherans outnumber Finnish Orthodox on a 9:1 ratio (although worldwide, the Eastern Orthodox are the second largest denomination and the Lutherans the fourth; the Roman Catholics are obviously the largest and the Anglicans are in no. 3) they will use the Gregorian calendar. Conversely in Greece, Pascha is dated based on the Julian calendar as are other holidays connected to it such as Clean Monday, the first day of Lent in the Orthodox tradition.

*The largest Eastern Orthodox denomination, or jurisdiction in Orthodox parlance, is the Russian-Ukrainian-Belarussian Orthodox Church under the Moscow Patriarchate, with 220 million members, not counting those in its autonomous churches in Bessarabia, the Baltic States, China, Japan, Korea, and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, of which I am particularly fond (and which has raised much money for the relief of refugees from Ukraine, given that in addition to having many American, English and other converts, ROCOR also has many Ukrainians and all Orthodox churches are open to people of all ethnicities), and the largest Oriental Orthodox jurisdiction is the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church, with 40 million members, which is unique in several respects, being almost entirely descended from Jewish converts (the majority of Ethiopian Jews converted in the early fourth century, and those that did not, who are known as the Beta Israel, mostly fled to Israel with the help of the IDF and Mossad after the Derg communist regime rose to power in the 1970s, strangled Emperor Haile Selassie for refusing to renounce Christianity and become an atheist, and began a genocide against Jews, because after Stalin fell out with Trotsky, Communism developed a noticeable anti-Semitic streak despite its veneration of Karl Marx), having the oldest continually used system of music notation in the world, being the only church that preserved 1 Enoch and Jubilees in its Scriptural canon, and also more likely than not has in its possession the Ark of the Covenant.
 
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So you think we are not supposed to celebrate Easter at all, despite the fact Jesus told us to honor him at the Passover meal?

I disagree with my friend @seeking.IAM in that I believe Scripture does command us to celebrate Easter implicitly, and the Nicene Paschalion, whether one is using it with the Gregorian or Julian calendar represents a best-effort attempt to get the date right. The Gregorian calendar is astronomically more correct, but the Julian calendar avoids certain error conditions and also arguably does the best job ensuring that for the longest duration possible, Pascha is celebrated on the basis of its anniversary (since the Churches in Rome, Alexandria and Antioch used what became the Nicene Paschalion since at least the second century, although at the time Quartodecimianism, by, for example, the churches in Asia Minor, most notably Ephesus, was tolerated, but at Nicaea in 325 AD, with the Roman Empire, and before them the City State of Edessa and the Kingdom of Armenia having embraced Christianity, and more recently the Kingdom of Georgia and the Empire of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) having converted as well, there was a need to establish a church wide standard, and there were just too many problems with Quartodecimianism to warrant keeping it in use, so its abolition at Nicaea was uncontroversial.
 
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I have known for years a few Christian denominations in Eastern Europe celebrate Good Friday and Easter one week later than most Christians every year. But because Jesus was crucified and died during Passover, Crucifixion Day and Resurrection Day can't be celebrated one week after Passover. They must all be celebrated the same weekend everywhere Christians live. Scripture is very clear about this, even if you can't figure out which day of the week Jesus died on.

Edit: Sorry about the duplicate thread.

Passover lamb is slain the 14th day of the month Nissan which is not always on a weekend/friday evening.

By contrast - the custom for Easter is that it is always on Sunday and good friday given at the day of the crucifixion.
 
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I disagree with my friend @seeking.IAM in that I believe Scripture does command us to celebrate Easter implicitly...

That is not my position. My position is that scripture does not tell us to celebrate Easter explicitly. Or, being "very clear" as OP claimed. If so, chapter and verse would have been cited and we would have already put this thread to bed.
 
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That is not my position. My position is that scripture does not tell us to celebrate Easter explicitly. Or, being "very clear" as OP claimed. If so, chapter and verse would have been cited and we would have already put this thread to bed.

Ah well then I misread you, which is my bad, but I do rather hope we have satisfied the understandable question of @ChristianForCats , as the Paschalion is pretty confusing, and I have seen articles literally titled “Calendar Confusion.”
 
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Passover lamb is slain the 14th day of the month Nissan which is not always on a weekend/Friday evening.

By contrast - the custom for Easter is that it is always on Sunday and Good Friday given at the day of the crucifixion.

Good Friday and Easter are floating holidays because they are based on astronomy. A moon rotation is 27 days, so it can't always be full the same weeks in March and April every year.

The reasons I read Jesus probably did not die on a Friday are:

1. He told his disciples, "Like Jonah was in the belly of a big fish for three days and three nights, I will be in the belly of the earth for three days and three nights." Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is 2 nights, so it is mathematically and scientifically impossible for Jesus to die on a Friday and rise on a Sunday if he was buried that long.

2. The two women named Mary came to visit Jesus before dawn on Sunday morning. He was gone then. So we can't count Sunday as the third day after Friday afternoon because Jesus actually rose on Saturday night - his second night in the belly of the earth.

3. Passover is a Jewish Sabbath day no matter what day of the week it falls on. None of the Gospels state it must have been the regular weekend Sabbath; instead, they all are clear there was a Passover Sabbath that week. There could have been two Sabbaths.

So to get three days and three nights in the belly of the earth, Crucifixion Day had to be a Thursday, with the Passover Sabbath immediately preceding the regular weekly Sabbath.
 
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Christ's death would be meaningless without the Resurrection.

Of course but Christ stated to take the Lord's Supper in rememerance of him. No other instructions. And he was The Passover sacrifice of all time. So again, that's what I do on Passover since he became our Passover. No instructions about celebrating Easter, etc in the scriptures.
 
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Of course but Christ stated to take the Lord's Supper in rememerance of him. No other instructions. And he was The Passover sacrifice of all time. So again, that's what I do on Passover since he became our Passover. No instructions about celebrating Easter, etc in the scriptures.

But does this mean we should stop celebrating Easter
 
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