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Paul was made an apostle to the gentiles, by the ascended Christ himself (Acts 22:21).
And your point is?
That you seem to not believe he still does things today like the bible says believers would do if i read correctly what you say.
I'm not cessationist. I just want to see evidence of real healings backed up with actual medical evidence that a miracle has taken place.
Repentance
I am sorry I missed this thread as the issue is close to my heart.
I think poor teaching is the main reason.
Also the modern mega churches need action to attract followers. The object of the exercise then is to 'move in the gifts' this provides visual stimulation and draws a crowd.
This is a mistake.
Folks must learn to hear Him first.
Jesus could do nothing without seeing what the father was doing first.
Are we greater than Jesus ???
NO.
It comes back to a fear of total commitment which I believe is common.
The harvest is ripe and the workers are few - folks need to understand that the gifts operate in the 'edge of the kingdom' on the streets and the marketplace where if He doesn't show up your toast.
So an over emphasis of the gifts is problematic because we simply read "confess your sins one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed". No mention of gifts and a clear directive to all as a matter of obedience.
Another factor is that the faith levels were high in the early church because we are speaking of those who saw the resurrection first hand.
What we need today then is life changing encounters with Him - how many today have 'seen' Him in one way or the other? This is where faith comes from.
I remember a vision I had years ago - throngs of believers walking in the same direction - amazing singing overhead - and on the side of the crowd folks saying "this is the way to walk" and I knew they didn't know but were blind guides. Looking in the distance I could see there was a common destination - it was the cross.
Just a few thoughts.
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Hi There, Interesting topic,
here is an image of why I believe we don't have many miracles and healings, when we believe and are saved through Christ the Holy Spirit slowly transforms us, but we don't truly let go of our fleshly/sinful ways completely, as this takes a lot of faith and sacrifice spiritually, doing works on behalf of the Holy Spirit, which are not our works which gives glory to God. Son and Holy Spirit, which I believe takes some steadfast conviction, If you feel the true presence of the Lord upon you, how will you truly act, only my opinion, but I would feel something that would completely terrify me, because if the world media got shot of it, it would make you into some kind of celebrity, and people everywhere will want you to perform miracles none stop, and then you would be at risk of taking away some of what the Lord, as already has done for us, all those years ago, even when many still did not believe. I believe we should let the Lord decide on what miracles he wants to perform in quiet solitude, so none of His Glory is Taken From Him, And Prayer for His Will Be Done. God Bless. and remember its just my opinion and I can still be wrong, I`m not quoting scripture, so keep the faith and peace be with you always.View attachment 315638
But I do believe we need to be honest with people about what the gospel is, not watered down like many mega churches and such preach. It's not a popular message, but a necessary one. Repent and be baptized calling on the name of Jesus and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. As for advancing past our logical, physical senses based existence? Just start walking in faith a bit more. When Jesus and them healed, they said get up and walk, not let me pray, "Father please heal in the name of Jesus." They didn't see people as they were, they saw them as God wanted them to be and commanded them forth as such.
To confirm, if people were to ask you, what is the gospel that saves today, you will reply with "Repent and be baptized calling on the name of Jesus and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
You are using Acts 2:38 as the gospel?
That's the response to the gospel
But I do believe we need to be honest with people about what the gospel is, not watered down like many mega churches and such preach. It's not a popular message, but a necessary one. Repent and be baptized calling on the name of Jesus and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So what exactly does this paragraph of yours mean?
The problem is people began to realize that they were not perfect before being saved, and still were not afterwards, not matter how hard they truly wanted to be and/or tried, etc, and people became sick and tired of the abuse from the churches/pulpits on this matter, since they also realized those people also were not even close to perfect as well, etc...What I mean are the problems started when the message was compromised. That began when Christianity was secularized in 312. It continues to compound to this day. The church needs to take back the narrative.
Our message today is we are just sinners, it's all we can do. Weak and powerless, under grace. But if we say a nice little prayer, it'll fix everything. Free grace theology I think it's called.
How can we believe God for miracles when we can't even believe that He can keep us from sin? How can we expect power when we don't expect obedience?
Jesus said those who sin are slaves to sin and a slave has no place in the family, but whom the Son sets free shall be free indeed! John 8:34-36
Nothing about repenting, nothing about baptism, nothing about taking up our armor and contending for the faith. Nothing about working out our salvation with fear and trembling. Nothing about abiding in Christ by faith and trusting him to keep us from sin. We make Jesus Lord with our tongues but our hearts are far from him. We talk a good talk, but no walking the walk.
The gospel message tells people that they have fallen, they aren't good enough, destined to die. That's why it's not popular. People don't like being told they aren't good enough and never will be. That God has condemned them in their current state. They need to change and be washed clean. Of course God made a way for salvation, only if we obey Him. How can He give His power to those who can't walk in simple obedience?
To me the message and that compromise are why the church has lost its power. It started in 312 and is rapidly accelerating to this day.
What I mean are the problems started when the message was compromised. That began when Christianity was secularized in 312. It continues to compound to this day. The church needs to take back the narrative.
Our message today is we are just sinners, it's all we can do. Weak and powerless, under grace. But if we say a nice little prayer, it'll fix everything. Free grace theology I think it's called.
How can we believe God for miracles when we can't even believe that He can keep us from sin? How can we expect power when we don't expect obedience?
Jesus said those who sin are slaves to sin and a slave has no place in the family, but whom the Son sets free shall be free indeed! John 8:34-36
Nothing about repenting, nothing about baptism, nothing about taking up our armor and contending for the faith. Nothing about working out our salvation with fear and trembling. Nothing about abiding in Christ by faith and trusting him to keep us from sin. We make Jesus Lord with our tongues but our hearts are far from him. We talk a good talk, but no walking the walk.
The gospel message tells people that they have fallen, they aren't good enough, destined to die. That's why it's not popular. People don't like being told they aren't good enough and never will be. That God has condemned them in their current state. They need to change and be washed clean. Of course God made a way for salvation, only if we obey Him. How can He give His power to those who can't walk in simple obedience?
To me the message and that compromise are why the church has lost its power. It started in 312 and is rapidly accelerating to this day.
I answered that for you already, read my last response again thanksSo back to the original question I asked, if someone were to ask you, "What is the gospel that saves today", exactly what would you say to him?
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