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Why are there so few power miracles anymore?

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I want to show you something,...

14 These, all in one accord, were persevering in prayer [and petition], together with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and the brothers of Him.

The colored text was proven at Azusa street. Any church that put in the time like they did at Azusa street everyday would have the same results. It is a pattern that can be repeated,.... but most people won't put in the time for said results.
 
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I want to show you something,...

14 These, all in one accord, were persevering in prayer [and petition], together with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and the brothers of Him.

The colored text was proven at Azusa street. Any church that put in the time like they did at Azusa street everyday would have the same results. It is a pattern that can be repeated,.... but most people won't put in the time for said results.
Amen :groupray:

Also Isaiah 58
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OT but still relevant and powerful imo
 
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Amen :groupray:

Also Isaiah 58
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OT but still relevant and powerful imo

Yep.

At Azusa Street they had church every day of the week, and held services each day, multiple times a day and night. They were constantly seeking The Lord, and it is no wonder they had their Acts 2 Pentecost happen.

Look at our current churches now though, how they only have a service on Sunday,.... and you're lucky to find a church that has one on Wednesday anymore.
 
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Yep.

At Azusa Street they had church every day of the week, and held services each day, multiple times a day and night. They were constantly seeking The Lord, and it is no wonder they had their Acts 2 Pentecost happen.

Look at our current churches now though, how they only have a service on Sunday,.... and you're lucky to find a church that has one on Wednesday anymore.

It would be AMAZING to meet a group of believers who would be willing to do this. But yes, most only want to scrape by. Live off crumbs. I want more...
 
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It would be AMAZING to meet a group of believers who would be willing to do this. But yes, most only want to scrape by. Live off crumbs. I want more...

If you have the desire, and keep at it, you'll find that holiness, but don't expect anyone else to have that same sort of desire within them. You can't inspire them, it's an individual thing.

Of the older generations, there were very few people who actually operated in strength with GOD, and they were raised on GOD's word back then. Think about how rare it is now currently.
 
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Look at our current churches now though, how they only have a service on Sunday,.... and you're lucky to find a church that has one on Wednesday anymore.

I think that's a symptom of a deeper issue.

Ps 84:10 Better is one day in your courts
than a thousand elsewhere;
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
than dwell in the tents of the wicked.

Sadly it seems that many Christians now are happy enough in the tents of the wicked. God willing as more realise we're in the last of the last days it will reverse, there will be a desire to be in the courts of the Lord. God Bless :)
 
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I think that's a symptom of a deeper issue.

Ps 84:10 Better is one day in your courts
than a thousand elsewhere;
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
than dwell in the tents of the wicked.

Sadly it seems that many Christians now are happy enough in the tents of the wicked. God willing as more realise we're in the last of the last days it will reverse, there will be a desire to be in the courts of the Lord. God Bless :)

If would be nice to think that,...
 
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I was thinking of Hebrews 10:25 :)

I agree, but if all you have is one day that you assemble together,...

It seems people are placing more importance onto worldly things instead of GOD, at least in my opinion.
 
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I agree, but if all you have is one day that you assemble together,...

I think 'assembling together' in the biblical definition is a very dynamic and exciting experience.


It seems people are placing more importance onto worldly things instead of GOD, at least in my opinion.

Agreed. That is the age we're living in. God Bless :)
 
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"Why do we not see more power miracles today?"

Well, perhaps what we are missing in some situations today is intercession ...
genuine heartfelt, prevailing, love of God intercessory prayer?

Reading recently on intercession, I came across an article entitled:
"Why Revivalist Charles G. Finney Quit the Evangelistic Ministry"

This writer claims that Finney laid down his evangelistic ministry when his prayer partner, Father Daniel Nash, died. Finney realized that Nash's prayer partnership in the ministry was to key to his success. Finney himself was a man of deep prayer, but realized he needed the prayers of others, too.

Article:

WHY REVIVALIST CHARLES G. FINNEY QUIT THE EVANGELISTIC MINISTRY | The Flaming Herald (wordpress.com)

Seems like in the 'old days' (lol) we heard more about the ministry of intercession, not to say that we do not have intercessors now, but years ago we did seem to hear more about this very important ministry within the Church.

Perhaps if there were more intercessors ... we would see more miracles?
 
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"Why do we not see more power miracles today?"

Well, perhaps what we are missing in some situations today is intercession ...
genuine heartfelt, prevailing, love of God intercessory prayer?

Reading recently on intercession, I came across an article entitled:
"Why Revivalist Charles G. Finney Quit the Evangelistic Ministry"

This writer claims that Finney laid down his evangelistic ministry when his prayer partner, Father Daniel Nash, died. Finney realized that Nash's prayer partnership in the ministry was to key to his success. Finney himself was a man of deep prayer, but realized he needed the prayers of others, too.

Article:

WHY REVIVALIST CHARLES G. FINNEY QUIT THE EVANGELISTIC MINISTRY | The Flaming Herald (wordpress.com)

Seems like in the 'old days' (lol) we heard more about the ministry of intercession, not to say that we do not have intercessors now, but years ago we did seem to hear more about this very important ministry within the Church.

Perhaps if there were more intercessors ... we would see more miracles?
It seems to me like, biblically, they all interceded, and they all went out and "put legs to their prayers." I admit that there's some room for that to be an interpretation, though.
 
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It seems to me like, biblically, they all interceded, and they all went out and "put legs to their prayers." I admit that there's some room for that to be an interpretation, though.

I would think that was how it was, also.

I have a hard time believing that Charles Finney actually quit his ministry solely over the fact that
Fr. Nash died. On the other hand, I can easily believe he quit his ministry when God showed him it was time to quit.

But apparently his relationship with Fr. Nash was an important one. And I think that may have been the point the writer of the article was trying to make, as the writer writes much about the ministry of intercession.

(You probably know all this, but, for the benefit of others who may not ... )
We all pray, and then there are those who are actually called to intercession as a ministry.
I don't know how often this occurs, but probably much more often than we know as much intercession is generally done 'hidden' from the public eye.

When one is an intercessor, the Holy Spirit will sometimes impress upon the intercessor's heart to pray for a certain person, ministry, event, etc. It is like God "assigns" an intercessor, in a very committed way, to a particular task, for a specific period of time. Sometimes for a lifetime. I suspect Fr. Nash felt committed to pray for Finney, and Finney was aware of this.

I saw these dynamics in action when I worked in the Assemblies. There was a woman committed to interceding for the church there. She did lead others in time of prayer but was firmly committed herself to continually pray for the needs of that church. She was always available to the pastoral staff for prayer requests; she worked closely with them in her prayer ministry to the Body of Christ there. She was a blessing to that church, and perhaps still is.

I recently read a book where the author began it by "thanking' those who had helped him in the writing of the book. He did not fail to mention a woman who had been an intercessor for him throughout most of his ministry. Apparently, God had put that assignment on her heart, permanently.

How often does this happen? I'm told it was known to happen often in the past. But I suspect it happens much now, too ...
 
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You know I think one bit about this intercessory aspect is when we intercede for others, we come more into alignment with God's will. That closeness of relationship then spills over into other aspects of our walk. I think this is a big reason why prayer is emphasized so much in scripture. That it draws us closer to God and that closeness leads us to greater fellowship with him.
 
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I would think that was how it was, also.

I have a hard time believing that Charles Finney actually quit his ministry solely over the fact that
Fr. Nash died. On the other hand, I can easily believe he quit his ministry when God showed him it was time to quit.

But apparently his relationship with Fr. Nash was an important one. And I think that may have been the point the writer of the article was trying to make, as the writer writes much about the ministry of intercession.

(You probably know all this, but, for the benefit of others who may not ... )
We all pray, and then there are those who are actually called to intercession as a ministry.
I don't know how often this occurs, but probably much more often than we know as much intercession is generally done 'hidden' from the public eye.

When one is an intercessor, the Holy Spirit will sometimes impress upon the intercessor's heart to pray for a certain person, ministry, event, etc. It is like God "assigns" an intercessor, in a very committed way, to a particular task, for a specific period of time. Sometimes for a lifetime. I suspect Fr. Nash felt committed to pray for Finney, and Finney was aware of this.

I saw these dynamics in action when I worked in the Assemblies. There was a woman committed to interceding for the church there. She did lead others in time of prayer but was firmly committed herself to continually pray for the needs of that church. She was always available to the pastoral staff for prayer requests; she worked closely with them in her prayer ministry to the Body of Christ there. She was a blessing to that church, and perhaps still is.

I recently read a book where the author began it by "thanking' those who had helped him in the writing of the book. He did not fail to mention a woman who had been an intercessor for him throughout most of his ministry. Apparently, God had put that assignment on her heart, permanently.

How often does this happen? I'm told it was known to happen often in the past. But I suspect it happens much now, too ...
A couple of my own observations/theories concerning a "ministry of intercession".
One of the gifts of the Spirit that's mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 is the "gift" of faith. Since the gifts are given to profit all, then if one has been given the gift of faith, it follows that that person would be called to intercessory prayer as more of a "ministry". But truly, He told all of us to pray "without ceasing".

Thank you so much for the mentions of Finney and the link.
Very cool things to consider and discuss :)

Concerning the OP, we're simply asleep at our posts if we're being hearers and not doers re: healing the sick, preaching the gospel... etc.

imo
 
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What is the disconnect?

Well,.... I learned a couple things recently.

I found out that some folks can't be truly honest with GOD, especially in their prayer lives. That was a major surprise for me. I'm still unable to comprehend someone trying to hide things from GOD,..... Who knows all.

Second,..... some folks don't really have a learning relationship with The Holy Spirit. They don't really rely upon Him for everything that they can. They don't acknowledge His presence, they don't bring things to Him, they don't ask Him questions, they don't seek His help in understanding passage of scripture,.....etc.

Just these two things alone will absolutely forbid a person operating in His power. GOD is not giving powerful things to people who won't be honest to Him or one's that accept men's opinions over The Holy Spirit's teachings.
 
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Mmmm...

In our church several including leaders have had the same vision - of a gushing river running through the church...

Clearly there is revival to come, but the church responded by setting up a healing meeting called 'the river'...

I think it would have been more important to set up a group of intercessors to pray for the revival...
 
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Let me ask some questions.
Do you believe that you and in fact all of us have been healed by the stripes of Jesus?
Do you believe that we all speak with new tongues?
Do you believe we all can cast out devils in Jesus' name?
Are you prepared to suffer persecution for Jesus, the Word, and righteousness?
Would you give all you own to the church and live in a communal relationship with your brothers and sisters in Christ?
Not judging, but do not see a lot of people who will say yes to all of these. When compared to the early church, I am not sure we measure up to what they were willing to do. Our culture just does not allow this degree of faith, fellowship, and dedication.
We started a communal fellowship house back in the early 70s. It was not received well by many churches or ministers. Lacking support, it simple failed. I am not sure such an endeavor would fare any better today.
 
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What is the disconnect?

Well,.... I learned a couple things recently.

I found out that some folks can't be truly honest with GOD, especially in their prayer lives. That was a major surprise for me. I'm still unable to comprehend someone trying to hide things from GOD,..... Who knows all.

Second,..... some folks don't really have a learning relationship with The Holy Spirit. They don't really rely upon Him for everything that they can. They don't acknowledge His presence, they don't bring things to Him, they don't ask Him questions, they don't seek His help in understanding passage of scripture,.....etc.

Just these two things alone will absolutely forbid a person operating in His power. GOD is not giving powerful things to people who won't be honest to Him or one's that accept men's opinions over The Holy Spirit's teachings.
This is illustrated by the parable of the wheat and the tares. The truth is that we cannot know by appearances whether a person is a true convert to Christ or a hypocrite who is professing Christianity for other reasons than having a transformed and renewed heart by the Holy Spirit. Only God Himself, who sees the hearts of people, knows for sure who are really His.

This is illustrated by the counterfeits we have of currency and popular brand-name products. One has to examine a product very carefully to distinguish between the real thing and a Chinese knockoff. For example, when you buy a Rolex watch online, how do you know you are buying a real one, or one made in China that looks so much like the real thing that they can't be told part - until the fake one karks it after 12 months?

In the same way, we don't really know if the person sitting beside you at church is a genuine convert or a hypocrite. But there is a safeguard in Scripture: "By their fruits you shall know them". I think that what you are observing in some professing Christians who don't seem to be exhibiting the fruits of repentance and righteousness, are hypocrites who have come into the Christian profession over the wall instead of through the narrow gate. They may even be claimed to have been baptised with the Spirit, and have spoken in tongues and prophesied, and claimed to have cast out demons and healed the sick, but as Jesus will say to such people who claim these things at the Judgment: "I never knew you."

You see, there are many who have accepted Christ, but has Christ accepted them?
 
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