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I completely disagree, but that's a topic for another thread.
No, it's not the destruction of it. An increase in legal marriages cannot destroy the institution of legal marriage. The religious concept of marriage has nothing to do with this. Though I will agree that the increase in public opinion of same-sex marriage indicates an evolution of Christian morality, since many people equate legal marriage with Christian marriage.
Yes, I was a bit surprised by the quote about wanting to change something that's looked the same for "thousands of years." Not very accurate at all, unless you're looking only at mainstream European history.I actually support gay marriage with a bit of amused skepticism. But the court did seem to indicate that we are asking that it be redefined not expanded.
I completely disagree, but that's a topic for another thread.
No, it's not the destruction of it. An increase in legal marriages cannot destroy the institution of legal marriage. The religious concept of marriage has nothing to do with this. Though I will agree that the increase in public opinion of same-sex marriage indicates an evolution of Christian morality, since many people equate legal marriage with Christian marriage.
I think fewer Christians would care about same sex marriage if gay folks would quit shoving it in everyone's face.
I see this rhetoric all the time, and I'll never understand it. Imagine for a moment that it were illegal for you to marry the person you love, but public opinion had the power to change that law. Would you not ask people to support your cause? I'm not sure what's even meant by the claim that they're "shoving it in people's faces." Pride parades? That's not marriage...I think fewer Christians would care about same sex marriage if gay folks would quit shoving it in everyone's face.
Marriage equality is a different issue that decriminalizing same-sex sexual activity (the latter was completed 12 years ago).You want me not to care what other people do in their own bedroom, and I seriously don't. Do whatever you want to whoever you want with whatever bits of your own anatomy that you want, it is none of my business, and I would rather not know about it.
You do not have to go to a Pride parade, and Pride parades are not marriage.If you'd just keep it in your bedroom, that would be great. But no...we have to watch it being paraded down mainstreet, fapetesakes.
Odin is a false God like the FSM.
I am quite certain, many white people said the same thing about blacks in the 60's, when they were looking for equal rights and performing marches and being in the public eye.
When people are suppressed and not given equal rights, they are going to eventually get loud, it is human nature.
When you compare the fight for 'gay rights' to the age long battle that black people have fought to rise from slavery to equal citizens, you gravely insult an awful lot of good people.
When did anyone tell gay people that they could not use the same facilities as straight people? When were you forced to sit "at the back of the bus" or crowded into filthy ghettos? When were you denied an equal education?
it takes one heck of a lot of gall, imho, to even dare to make such a comparison.
Don't insult my lord FSM by pairing him with that commoner.
But let's roll with that. What makes Odin false?
What makes FSM false?
We disagree on the proposition that Atheist join Christian forums as just a place to swap cake recipes or discus model airplane building.
I wouldn't just happen to join an Atheist forum for small talk.
When you compare the fight for 'gay rights' to the age long battle that black people have fought to rise from slavery to equal citizens, you gravely insult an awful lot of good people.
When did anyone tell gay people that they could not use the same facilities as straight people? When were you forced to sit "at the back of the bus" or crowded into filthy ghettos? When were you denied an equal education?
it takes one heck of a lot of gall, imho, to even dare to make such a comparison.
You know, I was a teenager in the sixties...yep, I am an original sixties "Flower Child". I actually supported equal rights for black people, and still do. I also supported equal rights for women, and I still do.
Being black is perfectly normal and natural, as is being a woman.
Being gay is not. It is a perversion of the natural sex drive, just like pedophilia, and has no more business being strutted around in public than NAMBLA has.
I actually support gay marriage with a bit of amused skepticism. But the court did seem to indicate that we are asking that it be redefined not expanded.
When you compare the fight for 'gay rights' to the age long battle that black people have fought to rise from slavery to equal citizens, you gravely insult an awful lot of good people.
When did anyone tell gay people that they could not use the same facilities as straight people?
When were you forced to sit "at the back of the bus" or crowded into filthy ghettos?
When were you denied an equal education?
it takes one heck of a lot of gall, imho, to even dare to make such a comparison.
Being black is perfectly normal and natural, as is being a woman.
Being gay is not.
It is a perversion of the natural sex drive, just like pedophilia, and has no more business being strutted around in public than NAMBLA has.
The very fact that you think that is why gay rights is "in your face" and why it will remain in your face. It's in your face because such bigotry is no longer acceptable, should never have been acceptable, and you should be called out on it. It's "in your face" because people who think like this are trying to deprive gay people of their rights and dignity, and you are either standing idly by or promoting their actions. It will remain "in your face" until your face is red with shame and you are ready to apologise.
The FSM is a creation of man intended to mock faith in the true God.
Odin was one of many Pagan God concepts that were a development within evolutionary religion.
Evolutionary religion serves a purpose in that it paves the way for the reception of reveled religion. Such Gods are for the most part created in mans own image.
I didn't join CF to discuss philosophy, at least not initially. I originally joined in 2007 to discuss my faith, then I became involved in discussions on politics and conspiracy theories, then I discovered the philosophy and science forums, and now I'm here. People participate on online forums for various reasons, and sometimes those reasons change over time, so why try to squeeze all those who identify as 'atheist' or 'agnostic' on CF into a box? There are Muslims and Buddhists on this site as well. Do you question their motivations for joining? Why should anyone's motivations be questioned if they openly identify their religious affiliation anyway? It's not as if we are feigning belief so as to join.
But even if you were right in saying that we are all here just to advance "godless ideals" (whatever that might mean), so what? Have a look at the Christian-Only sections of the site. There you'll find plenty of examples of Christians promoting their ideal version of Christianity and debating with those who disagree. Why aren't you suspicious of them? Or what of yourself? You are constantly posting quotations from the Urantia Book, so are you here only to promote the Book's values?
I don't think someone's mere presence on this site is enough to infer their reasons for being here. Even among Christians, the motivations are diverse. Some are here to discuss their faith and nothing else. Others are interested in political debate. Some are seeking help (or prayers) for a personal problem. Some may even be swapping cake recipes or discussing model airplane building. Does it even matter why they joined? They're here, now, having a conversation on a small corner of the internet. Tomorrow they may be elsewhere, on YouTube or reddit or StackOverflow or any of the other countless forums. If you spend all your time questioning why someone is here you're going to miss out on the conversation altogether, and that is, in my view, a considerable loss.
Don't hold your breath.
As I say, I have no problem with gay marriage. The license doesn't really mean anything any more, anyway, it's just a "business contract".
I can't, for the life of me, figure out why anyone, gay or straight, would want to force a bakery, for instance, to bake a wedding cake against their will. C'mon, there are all kinds of businesses that will cater to your every whim...why target Christians and try to force them to accept what their religion tells them is unacceptable?
It's just childishness, really.
Personally, I'd care more about my wedding guests than to serve them cake that someone had to be forced to bake for me.
Too many stories about waitresses spitting in people's food, I guess...and I know that it does happen, because, in my long and varied career, I have paid my dues as an underpaid, overworked waitress. Not that I personally ever did it...but I have been sorely tempted. I would dang sure not force a reluctant waitress to cook for me...or a reluctant doctor to care for me, or any other such thing. Not as long as there are those willing to serve my needs.
If this is true why are the planets in the shape of meatballs? Clearly a sign of his glorious creation.
And you have no proof of him being man's creation. Perhaps he's been around since the days of Kemet.
lol What?
This is so disrespectful and condescending to history itself. And yet I hope you don't think Yahweh, a Jewish war god, is exempt from being categorized amongst Odin
Don't hold your breath.
As I say, I have no problem with gay marriage. The license doesn't really mean anything any more, anyway, it's just a "business contract".
I can't, for the life of me, figure out why anyone, gay or straight, would want to force a bakery, for instance, to bake a wedding cake against their will.
C'mon, there are all kinds of businesses that will cater to your every whim...why target Christians and try to force them to accept what their religion tells them is unacceptable?
It's just childishness, really. Personally, I'd care more about my wedding guests than to serve them cake that someone had to be forced to bake for me.
Too many stories about waitresses spitting in people's food, I guess...and I know that it does happen, because, in my long and varied career, I have paid my dues as an underpaid, overworked waitress. Not that I personally ever did it...but I have been sorely tempted. I would dang sure not force a reluctant waitress to cook for me...or a reluctant doctor to care for me, or any other such thing. Not as long as there are those willing to serve my needs.
We were discussing the difference between nutral unbelief and the promotion of unbelief as a belief itself by Atheist, not that one can't do that here.
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