Why Are There No Christian Suicide Bombers?

[Sycophant]

Probably because murder is a sin. If you kill yourself you've commited murder. We honor God thru our actions and to murder is not honoring God.

And thus I come back to soldiers. But more specifically bomber pilots - where collatoral damage is pretty much unavoidable.

If it were simply the fact that Christianity forbids murder, then Christians wouldn't join the military, or at least wouldn't drop bombs from planes.

So it's not that.

 

[Rik]

I blame Bush.

 

[sebastian]

"christian" nations have apache gun ships.
"muslim" nations have, um..

(oops CCGirl already said this!)

 

[sebastian]

What about Ireland? Were there ever any Christian suicide bombers there? I know there were Christian terrorists. And that is incredibly sad. I have to wonder about the Christianity of those who do commit terrorist attacks.

I don't beleive there were any suicide bombers, and as far as I know, in Northern Ireland (not the same as Ireland) their catholic, protestant divide is more based on ethnicity and politics than theology. correct me if I'm wrong N Irish people.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

I don't beleive there were any suicide bombers, and as far as I know, in Northern Ireland (not the same as Ireland) their catholic, protestant divide is more based on ethnicity and politics than theology. correct me if I'm wrong N Irish people.

There are Christian sucide bombers. The Suicide bombers of the Ltte are both Hindus and Christians. But they do not do this cos of religious fevor but out of desperation and nationalistic aspirations; cos the Ltte is secular.






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Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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[sebastian]

oh, I dunno anything about that, I was only refering to Northern Ireland, sorry for not being clear.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

"christian" nations have apache gun ships.
"muslim" nations have, um..

(oops CCGirl already said this!)

That's because Christianity is a far more successful system than Islam.

Boneheaded as U.S. foreign policy often is, the decision-making process is motivated far more by geopolitics than by religion. The same cannot be said for a Muslim suicide bomber's decision to blow himself up to get to the 72 virgins Islamic dogma promises him.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

oh, I dunno anything about that, I was only refering to Northern Ireland, sorry for not being clear.

No probs just saying my 2 cents worth




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Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.​

 

[sebastian]

Boneheaded as U.S. foreign policy often is, the decision-making process is motivated far more by geopolitics than by religion. The same cannot be said for a Muslim suicide bomber's decision to blow himself up to get to the 72 virgins Islamic dogma promises him.

I see what your saying, I don't completely agree though, I think that saying they only blow themselves up to get laid in heaven is a bit simplistic. I know it's a common beleif with these guys but you need to look into thier situation y'know, we in the west have been systematically supressing the middle east for ages, sinse the ottoman empire if not before. I think the guys who train and send these people out are scum, but they are doing it as an act of defience as well as for religious motivations, they only have to watch western media to see us as a corrupt and immoral society with all the sex and violence and boringness of TV and magazines and the like (this is actually a big reason why they hate the west).
another reason is that they feel that the west is against them, palastine is a major pawn used by bigger islamic groups. we give arms to israel to blow up kids who throw stones!
It's easy for people to feel we in the west are thier enemy, so they want to fight back but all they have is thier own bodies really.
That's my view, i'm sure it's not completely accurate but. yeah...

 

[sebastian]

forgive my ignorance, but who are the Ltte?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

I see what your saying, I don't completely agree though, I think that saying they only blow themselves up to get laid in heaven is a bit simplistic. I know it's a common beleif with these guys but you need to look into thier situation y'know, we in the west have been systematically supressing the middle east for ages, sinse the ottoman empire if not before.

Actually, it was Islamic violence against Christians that began the Crusades and started that whole cycle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

I think the guys who train and send these people out are scum, but they are doing it as an act of defience as well as for religious motivations, they only have to watch western media to see us as a corrupt and immoral society with all the sex and violence and boringness of TV and magazines and the like (this is actually a big reason why they hate the west).

They hate the West because we are successful and they are not.

another reason is that they feel that the west is against them, palastine is a major pawn used by bigger islamic groups. we give arms to israel to blow up kids who throw stones!
It's easy for people to feel we in the west are thier enemy, so they want to fight back but all they have is thier own bodies really.
That's my view, i'm sure it's not completely accurate but. yeah...

I don't doubt that they think the world is against them...that's pretty much the standard response of Muslims. "Nobody loves us, everybody hates us, we're gonna eat some worms."

It's not OUR fault Islamic society treats women like dirt.

It's not OUR fault that so many Islamic schools teach nothing of math or science.

It's not OUR fault that Islamic societies believe the solution to any political dispute is car-bombing or beheading.

It's not OUR fault we're more prosperous and successful.

It's not OUR fault that Islam is so intellectually and morally bankrupt and nihilistic that these Muslims believe the best destiny for their children is suicide.

Muslims need to accept responsibility for their own problems and stop blaming everyone. Listening to these people is like listening to some guy in a trailer park rant and rave about how everyone he went to school with is doing so much better than he is. "Darn John for finishing high school, Jill for going to college, Dan for going into the Service, Jessie for getting her paralegal certificate." (Reaches for another six-pack) "Life is SOOOO unfair!"

And ye4s, I know people are going to hate me for posting this, but too bad. Truth is truth. If you don't like the weather don't blame the weatherman; he just reports what he sees.

 

[sebastian]

The crusdaes were a looong time ago, we were at war once, nobody cares anymore. I don't think that's valid.

They hate the West because we are successful and they are not.

I think that western propaganda. I actually hate that argument so very much, and I'm not being personal honestly. Just think about it, if they really wanted to be more succesful what would all of this war and stuff achieve, more destruction. it's just the sort of rubbish our arrogant governments like to come up with.

I don't doubt that they think the world is against them...that's pretty much the standard response of Muslims. "Nobody loves us, everybody hates us, we're gonna eat some worms."

It's not OUR fault Islamic society treats women like dirt.

It's not OUR fault that so many Islamic schools teach nothing of math or science.

It's not OUR fault that Islamic societies believe the solution to any political dispute is car-bombing or beheading.

It's not OUR fault we're more prosperous and successful.

It's not OUR fault that Islam is so intellectually and morally bankrupt and nihilistic that these Muslims believe the best destiny for their children is suicide.

Muslims need to accept responsibility for their own problems and stop blaming everyone. Listening to these people is like listening to some guy in a trailer park rant and rave about how everyone he went to school with is doing so much better than he is. "Darn John for finishing high school, Jill for going to college, Dan for going into the Service, Jessie for getting her paralegal certificate." (Reaches for another six-pack) "Life is SOOOO unfair!"

And ye4s, I know people are going to hate me for posting this, but too bad. Truth is truth. If you don't like the weather don't blame the weatherman; he just reports what he sees.

A little bit general, I wouldn't say all muslims or all of Islam, it is a small proportian in global terms, but I think I get your drift and I agree!

It's not OUR fault we're more prosperous and successful.

except that bit! sorry. it has got a lot to do with us messing them around.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

except that bit! sorry. it has got a lot to do with us messing them around.

Believe me, I think we should withdraw from the Islamic world and have nothing to do with these people. No military intervention...and no foreign aid or trade either.

Then who will they blame for their lack of social and technological progress? The Jews, no doubt.

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

forgive my ignorance, but who are the Ltte?

The Ltte(Liberation tigers of Tamil Eelam(the name of the contry they are fighting for) are a rebel group who are fighting for independance in SriLanka.

They are both Hindus and Christians and belong to the Tamil ethnic group. They had their own kingdom while the Sinhala people had their own one in the island. When the Brits came they merged the two kingdoms for efficiencies sake. After the country got independence from the British; the Tamil found themselves to be the minority. They were discriminated against by the majority sinhala population because Tamils were exceptionally well off both academically and economically.

The Tamils were sick and tired of being discriminated against and being the targets of regular anti-Tamil riots that resulted in thousands of them losing their lives and livelihoods and started a rebel force to fight for their own nation

info about the ltte
http://www.tamilnation.org/ltte/index.htm

general info about the conflict and the culture
http://www.tamilcanadian.com/eelam/

the causes that led to this war
http://www.tamilnation.org/tamileelam.htm
http://www.tamilnation.org/indictment/warcrimes/index.htm



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Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
​

 

[sebastian]

well, if you think of egypt and morroco and tunisia turkey and lebanon and simillar countries, though not perfect, they arn't iraq and iran and the like, and if Israel was given a bit of a slap by the UN for being a bit overzealous maybe they could sort themselves out. maybe if we helped them to do so rather than blow them up! it's such a mess. maybe, or maybe your right, i dunno, i just don't feel these countried have had much of a chance y'know. the ones that have have turned out better.

 

[sebastian]

The Ltte(Liberation tigers of Tamil Eelam(the name of the contry they are fighting for) are a rebel group who are fighting for independance in SriLanka.

They are both Hindus and Christians and belong to the Tamil ethnic group. They had their own kingdom while the Sinhala people had their own one in the island. When the Brits came they merged the two kingdoms for efficiencies sake. After the country got independence from the British; the Tamil found themselves to be the minority. They were discriminated against by the majority sinhala population because Tamils were exceptionally well off both academically and economically.

The Tamils were sick and tired of being discriminated against and being the targets of regular anti-Tamil riots that resulted in thousands of them losing their lives and livelihoods and started a rebel force to fight for their own nation

oh, I really should have known that, I have sri lankan friends. I have heard of the tamil tigers but i never knew they're proper name. thanks for the info.

looks like my country did it again huh!

 

[Vandhiyathevan]

oh, I really should have known that, I have sri lankan friends. I have heard of the tamil tigers but i never knew they're proper name. thanks for the info.

looks like my country did it again huh!

Hmnn i wouldn't say that the Brits were responsible for the current state though; even though they were the ones who merged two different kingdoms.

The issue is that the majority discriminating against the minority and not letting them have their own country as they used to do.

in fact..if the minority Tamils were treated fairly then they would have been happy to be part of srilanka. They did try non-violent(ahimsa) protests for 3 decades before taking up arms..cos the non-violent protests were met with force too

so don't feel bad

 

[NiteClerk]

According to the might that is Wikipedia, there are some Christian suicide attackers, and terrorism by so-called Christians is not uncommon:

"A less controversial example is from the time of the Crusades, when the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships[citation needed], killing 140 Christians in order to kill ten times as many Muslims. Another early example of suicide bombing occurred during the Belgian Revolution, when the Dutch Lieutenant Jan van Speijk detonated his own ship in the harbour of Antwerp to prevent being captured by the Belgians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

"One of the most widely-reported Christian terrorists is Eric Robert Rudolph, an American who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States in the 1990s, killing three people and injuring at least 150 others, because he believed that abortion and homosexuality were contrary to Christian doctrine. While he may have been associated with the Christian Identity movement, Rudolph himself has rejected the claims, saying that he is a Catholic,[3][4] and that he "prefers Nietzsche to the Bible"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_extremist_terrorism

Your first example (the Crusades) is 800 - 1000 years old. Hardly relevant to anything going on today. In your second example, if Rudolph really was Catholic he would not prefer the secular Nietzsche over the Bible.

I'm sure there are valid examples somewhere, but it's not a culture thing for Christians to be suicide bombers.

After all, God gave his son for our Christian religion. The Muslims tell their son to go die for their religion.

Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached