Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[renniks]

Well then, why bring it up? Nobody else thinks souls evolve.

Oh boy...if animals have souls, where did they come from? If they didn't evolve (since you buy into evolution) then there's no reason to believe that they do anything but go back to the dirt.

 

[Sorn]

That's not what I said. How did you get that from God breathing a soul into man?

I asked "So you don't think we have a soul that survives our bodily death?"
You answered "No", ie you don't agree with my statement. Therefore i assume you are of the opinion that we have no separate soul that survives out bodily death, ie when we die we cease to exist.

 

[Astrid]

Well it's just speculating on possibilities but in any case I wouldn't necessarily call a being that is eternal and can manipulate processes like evolution to serve it's own ends lesser, its still pretty impressive stuff & a heck of a lot more than what we or anything else we know can do.

We manipulate evolution every day.

 

[Sorn]

We manipulate evolution every day.

Yes, but only by merely scratching the surface compared to what God can do. We also, as individuals don't have a million years to see the fruit of our manipulation. So we can not say that doing this genetic tweak here will result in this result 100,000 years from now, we can just say if we do this we can have a flower with blue petals next season.
We also perform many modern miracles of healing, but that doesn't mean that God can't also heal and that the way He heals would be completely different from how modern medicine heals a person.
When modern science can turn a couple of loafs of bread into 200 loafs then we can boast.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, but only by merely scratching the surface compared to what God can do. We also, as individuals don't have a million years to see the fruit of our manipulation. So we can not say that doing this genetic tweak here will result in this result 100,000 years from now, we can just say if we do this we can have a flower with blue petals next season.
We also perform many modern miracles of healing, but that doesn't mean that God can't also heal and that the way He heals would be completely different from how modern medicine heals a person.
When modern science can turn a couple of loafs of bread into 200 loafs then we can boast.

You seemed like suggesting manipulation is an
absolute bdifference not just of degree of ability.

In the event-
Hundreds of millions of years of selective breeding under consvious
control has not been tried, but going by the results of plant
animal breeding, more dramatic resiltschappen faster than via
means.

Bringing on the miracle of loaves story is irrelevant.

 

[Larniavc]

I'm not up on Christian beliefs, I understand that Christian is a vast umbrella term and so there are many people within this vast group and these people have differing beliefs.
But, for those Christians that are hell bent on fighting against evolution, what is the root of this resistance?

It really seems that with their arguments they are just reaching for excuses to shoot down evolution.

My thoughts, which could be wrong because of my poor understanding of Christian beliefs. But here they are:
1. Humans are special (god's children, made in god's image) therefore we can't possibly be animals, or apes. Perhaps these people feel uncomfortable about being part of the animal kingdom.
2. All of existence was made as a playground for humans. If humans evolved randomly then it was just chance that we came to be, and then what would be the purpose for the universe existing if humans weren't destined to be? Perhaps these people feel uncomfortable that a universe wasn't destined to have humans, and without humans at the centre of it would be purposeless and therefore goes against the core belief that god created everything for us.

Am I on track here? Or are there other reasons?
The ones above seem incredibly self centred.

I’d add that because evolution (and the scientific method) does not factor God in to any of it people with very strong personal convictions take it as a personal affront.

 

[Sorn]

You seemed like suggesting manipulation is an
absolute bdifference not just of degree of ability.

In the event-
Hundreds of millions of years of selective breeding under consvious
control has not been tried, but going by the results of plant
animal breeding, more dramatic resiltschappen faster than via
means.

Bringing on the miracle of loaves story is irrelevant.

So, whats to say God didn't shave tens of millions of years of evolution to get us by tweaking the evolutionary process or even if we'd exist at all with out His tweaks, irrespective of how long it took. Remember the estimates for evolution are just that estimates based on x mutations happening every x reproductive cycles. God could simply circumvent whole swathes of that if He wanted too and we'd be none the wiser.

 

[Larniavc]

That's really not an apples to apples comparison. I could say if the moon crashes into the earth harmony will not exist either. They are both mass extinction events and really not what I'm talking about.
The point I am trying to make is all but one form of life on earth work in harmony with nature. Humans do not.

What definition are you use if for harmony? Elephants knocking over trees can cause significant environmental chaos.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

This is consistent with the Theory of Evolution.
The kingdoms don't cross over.
A reptile will never evolve to become a human. A plant will never evolve to become a human.
When the bat evolved from its prior mammal form to fly it did not become a bird, it remained as a mammal.
When the whale evolved from its prior mammal form to become aquatic, it didn't stop being a mammal.
A dog will never evolve to become a cat, a cat will never evolve to become a bird, not in a million years, not in 100 million years. The kingdoms don't cross over, according to the theory of evolution.

Let's not ignore natural selection and it's logical conclusion , "macroeveloution". This is where the cross over begins. The apes to humans theory.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

What definition are you use if for harmony? Elephants knocking over trees can cause significant environmental chaos.

Creation that purely works through instinct without involving reason.

 

[Astrid]

So, whats to say God didn't shave tens of millions of years of evolution to get us by tweaking the evolutionary process or even if we'd exist at all with out His tweaks, irrespective of how long it took. Remember the estimates for evolution are just that estimates based on x mutations happening every x reproductive cycles. God could simply circumvent whole swathes of that if He wanted too and we'd be none the wiser.

Thats fine.
A smarter God could set it up in the instant of creation.

But then, afaic, nothing supernatural needed
or evident.

 

[Astrid]

Let's not ignore natural selection and it's logical conclusion , "macroeveloution". This is where the cross over begins. The apes to humans theory.

Crossover? And as people are apes, " apes - to theory" makes no sense.

 

[Sorn]

Thats fine.
A smarter God could set it up in the instant of creation.

But then, afaic, nothing supernatural needed
or evident.

And that is your prerogative to do that. Of more importance than how we got to be here is where do we go from here. You need to decide for yourself if its possible that there is a reality outside of our own, a higher moral power or God and whether the possibility of life after death exists? Are we just the product of chemical reactions or is there more?

 

[Astrid]

And that is your prerogative to do that. Of more importance than how we got to be here is where do we go from here. You need to decide for yourself if its possible that there is a reality outside of our own, a higher moral power or God and whether the possibility of life after death exists? Are we just the product of chemical reactions or is there more?

I would need a reason to think that anything supernatural
actually exists.
Amid all the obvious garbage, superstition and woo woo
associated with supernatural claims,, there could be truth.

But where?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Crossover? And as people are apes, " apes - to theory" makes no sense.

Not my idea...Darwin's.

 

[Astrid]

Not my idea...Darwin's.

It is not a theory, humans are apes.
Like that foxes, beagles and coyotes are all Canines.

That isn't theory theory either.

The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms
of evolution.

That plants and animals change over time is beyond
any reasonable dispute.

So what point do you wish to make?
Something about "crossover", (whatever you
may mean by that)?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

It is not a theory, humans are apes.
Like that foxes, beagles and coyotes are all Canines.

That isn't theory theory either.

The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms
of evolution.

That plants and animals change over time is beyond
any reasonable dispute.

So what point do you wish to make?
Something about "crossover", (whatever you
may mean by that)?

That's what this thread is all about. Christians who do not subscribe to Darwinism.
Have a blessed day !

 

[enoob57]

there are no Transistional fossils... lots of hoaxes but none to date or there would be drunkeness and dancing in the streets as god would be finally made false! This is probably the loudest truth they are enduring in the present...

 

[Sorn]

I would need a reason to think that anything supernatural
actually exists.
Amid all the obvious garbage, superstition and woo woo
associated with supernatural claims,, there could be truth.

But where?

I would recommend you start by reading the New Testament

 

[enoob57]

I would need a reason to think that anything supernatural
actually exists.
Amid all the obvious garbage, superstition and woo woo
associated with supernatural claims,, there could be truth.

But where?

The Bible is God's Word as He, Himself claims and blesses! Just try reading the book of John without bias... just examine it's message and keep in mind the one writing it was with Jesus when He came into flesh!