Why are Republican voters so tolerant of Republican In Name Onlys?

[Autumnleaf]

I spoke with my father last night and he set me straight on a few things. RINOs was the main thing. Evidently the reason Trump's agenda like lower taxes and nixing Obamacare are not getting done is because fake republicans like Paul Ryan, John McCain and Mitch McConell are being obstructionists and unfair critics of President Trump. I sent messages to my senators, congressman and governor about it. I did my part. If Trump fails, its the fault of those of you who sat by and let the GOP undermine him from within.

Democrats will try to undermine him, but lazy or traitorous GOPs? Tolerate that if you will. I choose not to.

 

[Albion]

Good point. Why the Republican Congress should fumble away through inaction (or hubris in Sen. McCain's case) the confidence that was placed in these elected officials by the American people, I cannot figure.

 

[brinny]

I agree.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Democrats will try to undermine him, but lazy or traitorous GOPs?

This right here is one of the main things that is wrong with this country today: Political affiliation and parties are put before the country. Political parties are not fixed, they are malleable and fluctuate based on those in leadership and affiliated with the party. The idea that one can be traitorous to a political party because they think they President isn't acting in the best interest of the country is nothing short of undemocratic.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the direction your party is going or what the leadership is doing, but imagine if the tables were turned on you were being labelled a traitor because you weren't moving with them.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Had to look up what RINO was. Looks like a pointless title. Might as well just label themselves "Don't have a party really".

Though before reading what you said I already knew the political "label" system is a joke. It used to be that for the most part there were two strong sides. Repub's and Democrats. Now the lines are so blurred that I am often shocked to hear what someone is since they act like the other side. I know christian republicans that are more like democrats and vica versa.

Its why I say I am affiliated with no party. We should just do away with the party system because WAYYYY to many simply vote based on party more then the persons views. I mean technically I did vote for Obama the first time (or was it the second?) because the other guy was TERRIBLE. Heck this election I didn't want to vote for anyone really. If anything am hoping Trump gets impeached so Pence can take over. He seems like a good guy. And currently Trump doesn't seem to be listening to Pence much.

 

[Albion]

Not to take exception to your own feeling about this, but when (or "who" may be the better question) did the Democrats become malleable or traitorous to their own party? There are RINOs to be sure, but the Dems in Congress--both houses--almost always follow orders and vote as told by their leadership, right down to the last man.

Yes, Joe Manchin and a couple of House members occasionally bolt, but that's about it--which is one reason why filibustering has become effective in keeping the majority from working its will.

 

[FireDragon76]

This right here is one of the main things that is wrong with this country today: Political affiliation and parties are put before the country. Political parties are not fixed, they are malleable and fluctuate based on those in leadership and affiliated with the party.

Yeah, the idea of John McCain not being a real Republican shows you how much the political parties have changed. 2 decades ago, John McCain was a well respected Republican with very good credentials. The fact he was relatively moderate did not change that.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Not to take exception to your own feeling about this, but when (or "who" may be the better question) did the Democrats become malleable or traitorous to their own party? There are RINOs to be sure, but the Dems in Congress--both houses--almost always follow orders and vote as told by their leadership, right down to the last man.

Yes, Joe Manchin and a couple of House members occasionally bolt, but that's about it--which is one reason why filibustering has become effective in keeping the majority from working its will.

This is exactly my point. Elected officials do not take an oath to defend the president, or as far as I'm aware (and I certainty hope the don't), an oath to defend their political party, but to defend and uphold the constitution and laws of the United States. I'm absolutely sick and tired of this hyper-partisan rhetoric that's existed in this country for almost as long as I can remember, it's arguably the biggest problem with this country. This reason why nothing can get done in this country is because it's become "Democrats versus Republicans" instead of "Democrats and Republicans"

 

[Autumnleaf]

Paul Ryan is the leading republican in congress; hence he determines what congress talks about, and he took money from George Soros...

Soros wants Americans to be under the soft hug of a heroin dealer, socialism.

 

[imind]

because the republicans are realizing that americans like obamacare and they don't want to lose their elected offices.

Soros wants Americans to be under the soft hug of a heroin dealer, socialism.

lol, ok...

 

[Albion]

because the republicans are realizing that americans like obamacare and they don't want to lose their elected offices.

The polls show the opposite. However, the people do not want to have a gap in coverage between the end of Obamacare and the introduction of the new policy.

The Republicans in Congress have good reason to worry about their jobs if they fumble that!

 

[pat34lee]

This right here is one of the main things that is wrong with this country today: Political affiliation and parties are put before the country. Political parties are not fixed, they are malleable and fluctuate based on those in leadership and affiliated with the party. The idea that one can be traitorous to a political party because they think they President isn't acting in the best interest of the country is nothing short of undemocratic.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing about the direction your party is going or what the leadership is doing, but imagine if the tables were turned on you were being labelled a traitor because you weren't moving with them.

The thing is, if you call yourself a Republican in order to gather Republican voters, then you owe it to them to vote how your base wants: Republican. If you are going to vote with the Democrats, then run as a Democrat and let the Democrats vote you into office.

 

[Autumnleaf]

because the republicans are realizing that americans like obamacare and they don't want to lose their elected offices.


lol, ok...

We don't. Obama care is higher rates every year.

Try again.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

^Amen^

The majority of people on Obamacare do not want it/cannot afford it. There are a small minority that actually find it useful/good.

 

[paul1149]

lazy or traitorous GOPs? Tolerate that if you will. I choose not to.

Good for you. It's often hard to know which side Ryan is on. He vacillates weekly. What a disappointment he has turned out to be.

With the House, Senate and White House in their control, if the Pubs don't get the job done they will have to answer big time in 2018. The Dems know this and are fighting for their political lives. The only somewhat mitigating factor for the Pubs is the unprecedented opposition of the Leftist media, but that's no excuse; the republican problems in Congress are essentially self-inflicted.

Yes, Joe Manchin and a couple of House members occasionally bolt, but that's about it

Manchin has a very conservative electorate he must answer to. Otherwise I have my doubts he would be near as independent as he is. But it's a good point: the Dems very often circle the wagons and vote as a block.

 

[SolomonVII]

Trump is not a hard core conservative. His constituency is not with the most fiscally conservative members of the GOP.
Certainly there are members of the GOP, like John McCain, who will not give him the time of day.

Trump's path to success with Congress does not lie with a fully partisan appeal to Republicans only. If he is unable to get a few Democrats on board, he does not deserve to succeed, any more than the partisan hack job of Obamcare deserved to succeed.
Any major legislation merits to have some bipartisan support. That is what Trump has been elected to negotiate.

 

[Albion]

Trump is not a hard core conservative. His constituency is not with the most fiscally conservative members of the GOP.
Certainly there are members of the GOP, like John McCain, who will not give him the time of day.

Trump's path to success with Congress does not lie with a fully partisan appeal to Republicans only. If he is unable to get a few Democrats on board, he does not deserve to succeed, any more than the partisan hack job of Obamcare deserved to succeed.
Any major legislation merits to have some bipartisan support. That is what Trump has been elected to negotiate.

I'm not sure if "Conservative" fits or not, but Trump is a patriot, a believer in unity, in prosperity for all our people, and in the Constitution.

Therefore, he may be at odds with a few Republican legislators, but when it comes to the Democrats...they're pursuing a quite different policy, attempting to bring the government to a halt.

How there can be common cause or bipartisanship under those conditions is hard to see.

 

[SolomonVII]

I'm not sure if "Conservative" fits or not, but Trump is a patriot, a believer in unity, in prosperity for all our people, and in the Constitution.

Therefore, he may be at odds with a few Republican legislators, but when it comes to the Democrats...they're pursuing a quite different policy, attempting to bring the government to a halt.

How there can be common cause or bipartisanship under those conditions is hard to see.

Well, patriot, and a believer in unity ought not to be either conservative or liberal.

And he has a built-in excuse to fail, just as
Obama had a built in excuse to fail in his being opposed by the "Party of No."
But that does not change one iota where the path of getting a new health care package lies.

There have been successful presidents in my own lifetime who have been able to work with Congress, at least somewhat, to get things that Americans want done.
It has never been easy- the whole point of the American system is that it is even designed to be hard.
But that is what successful presidents are able to do.

 

[Albion]

Well, patriot, and a believer in unity ought not to be either conservative or liberal.

They ought not to be, that's so. But today, they are all associated with Conservatism, even allowing for some spectrum of belief in that camp, just as exists within Liberalism. And the Democrat Party is no longer the party of Truman, Johnson, or even Clinton. It has embraced Democratic Socialism, both in principle and in tactics.

But that does not change one iota where the path of getting a new health care package lies.

The path itself I think we're in agreement on. But do you seriously think that the Congressional Democrats have the slightest willingness to deliver the votes necessary to give the GOP any legislative victory of importance, thus assisting them to win the next election?

There have been successful presidents in my own lifetime who have been able to work with Congress, at least somewhat, to get things that Americans want done.
It has never been easy- the whole point of the American system is that it is even designed to be hard.
But that is what successful presidents are able to do.

This is all true, but those days are gone now and obstructionism has become the Democrats' strategy. It's impossible to deny, if we judge by their behavior since November 8. You may be thinking that they will back off from it, but I'm doubtful.

 

[imind]

The polls show the opposite.

thats not what i'm reading...link