Republican Senator J.D. Vance warns of 'hidden impeachment clause' buried in $95 BILLION Ukraine and Israel aid package that he says could backfire on

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The foreign aid package would provide $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
If passed, the bill would fund Ukraine until 2025, even though Trump has said he would end the conflict and its funding within 24 hours of taking office
Should Trump become president after this bill passes and end the funding, he could be at odds with the law and therefore impeached again
 

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The foreign aid package would provide $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
If passed, the bill would fund Ukraine until 2025, even though Trump has said he would end the conflict and its funding within 24 hours of taking office
Should Trump become president after this bill passes and end the funding, he could be at odds with the law and therefore impeached again

By this logic, drug laws are a "trap" for drug dealers. Passing a law, to include appropriations bills, is not a "trap" except to those who have decided not to obey the law.
 
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The foreign aid package would provide $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
If passed, the bill would fund Ukraine until 2025, even though Trump has said he would end the conflict and its funding within 24 hours of taking office
Should Trump become president after this bill passes and end the funding, he could be at odds with the law and therefore impeached again

It depends on the language used in the law what he would be able to do, but your right Congress holds the purse.

It's good to know the American people aren't the priority for Congress, starting WW3 and taking the nation down is.

But Trump isn't going to get into office and start pulling a Biden and ignoring law. He didn't do it last time and he won't do it this. Don't worry about it.
 
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It depends on the language used in the law what he would be able to do, but your right Congress holds the purse.

It's good to know the American people aren't the priority for Congress, starting WW3 and taking the nation down is.

....it's rather alarming how short the American memory is. Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave to see his party capitulating to Vladimir Putin.
 
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By this logic, drug laws are a "trap" for drug dealers. Passing a law, to include appropriations bills, is not a "trap" except to those who have decided not to obey the law.
JD Vance need not worry.

I used to think that a "Teflon man" didn't exist. Obviously I'm wrong.

Of course the jury is still out on that issue...thanks to $50 million legal teams, the juries haven't even convened.
 
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....it's rather alarming how short the American memory is. Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave to see his party capitulating to Vladimir Putin.
So therefore, instead of negotiating a cease fire and a truce with a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, what would you rather the USA and NATO, and the European Union do about this 2 year old war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people?
 
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So therefore, instead of negotiating a cease fire and a truce with a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, what would you rather the USA and NATO, and the European Union do about this 2 year old war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people?

First of all, it's not our freedom and territory to negotiate. It's up to Ukraine to make that decision....and by cutting off aid, the Republicans are giving Putin the upper hand. He can basically set his terms or threaten to take the entire country.

Do you believe in the Ukranian people's right to self determination and freedom?
 
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So therefore, instead of negotiating a cease fire and a truce with a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, what would you rather the USA and NATO, and the European Union do about this 2 year old war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people?
It's a war between Ukraine and Russia. Neither side will quit until one or the other occupies the entire country. What would you have NATO do when a friendly neighboring country is invaded by Russia with intent to conquer and occupy. it?
 
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Putin's evil and heinous war against Ukraine has been fought to a stalemate.
The USA and NATO should have stopped the war from happening. We should have led a crushing military defeat against Putin in the early months of the war.
But it is much too late for that military destruction of the significant majority of The Russian military, IMO. Putin is an evil tyrant we should have stopped. But we did not do that.
Therefore, looking at a stalemate that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, a better solution should be found. Instead, too many in our government are willing to keep on funding this heinous war.

This situation reminds me of a popular definition of insanity.
 
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Putin's evil and heinous war against Ukraine has been fought to a stalemate.

Yes, because of Ukraine's winter and spring, Russia had a respite and was able to mine their frontlines (and even miles behind the front lines). Since Ukraine did not have good minesweeping equipment, they weren't able to make large advances -- at the same time, even without minefields slowing them down, the Russians haven't been able to change the lines, either.

It will be interesting to see what happens this summer, as Ukraine now has some better minesweeping equipment and should have F-16s to help with the air war.


The USA and NATO should have stopped the war from happening. We should have led a crushing military defeat against Putin in the early months of the war.

And how much would have that cost? I have to think what we've currently spent (roughly 1% of our military budget, with 90% of the "Ukraine aid" spent in the US) is far less than what it would have cost to put combat troops in Ukraine -- not to mention the body bags of US soldiers and airmen.

But it is much too late for that military destruction of the significant majority of The Russian military, IMO.

Actually, many sources believe there is significant destruction of the Russian military. This is allegedly much of the reason Russia is sending conscripts as cannon fodder in Ukraine, and using little modern weaponry.

Putin is an evil tyrant we should have stopped. But we did not do that.
Therefore, looking at a stalemate that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, a better solution should be found. Instead, too many in our government are willing to keep on funding this heinous war.

So, despite the "evil and heinous war" we should reward Putin by giving him the parts of Ukraine that were his main objective in starting the war? I would have thought when we stood by and did nothing when Putin took Crimea, that we would have learned that Putin believes he can take what he wants because "The West" doesn't have the resolve to stop him. If we give him what he wants, I'd suggest it merely buys a couple of years of peace, at which point Putin decides to make his next move to "annex" more territory for Russia. It is only by Putin actually losing that he will learn he can't just march troops into an area and take it.

This situation reminds me of a popular definition of insanity.

I agree, the idea that a negotiated peace, that gives Putin what he wants, will keep Putin from starting the next war does seem a bit insane.
 
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Putin's evil and heinous war against Ukraine has been fought to a stalemate.
The USA and NATO should have stopped the war from happening. We should have led a crushing military defeat against Putin in the early months of the war.

On what basis could NATO have justified an offensive attack on Russian forces inside a non-Nato country?

But it is much too late for that military destruction of the significant majority of The Russian military, IMO. Putin is an evil tyrant we should have stopped. But we did not do that.
Therefore, looking at a stalemate that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, a better solution should be found. Instead, too many in our government are willing to keep on funding this heinous war.

This situation reminds me of a popular definition of insanity.

I agree that a solution to end the war needs to be found. However, that is not our decision. Tens of thousands of Ukranians have laid down their lives to defend their land and freedom. To abandon them now by withdrawing funding would give Putin the upper hand and prove him right when he says the West is weak.
 
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VILNIUS, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Russia is preparing for a military confrontation with the West within the next decade and could be deterred by a counter build-up of armed forces, Estonia's Foreign Intelligence Service said on Tuesday.

 
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Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people have died in a war that we should have prevented from happening. How many thousands and thousands and thousands of people will die before there is a negotiated peace?
 
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Conservative political commentator and former Bulwark editor in chief Charlie Sykes noted that Trump is “signaling weakness,… appeasement,… surrender…. One of the consistent things about Donald Trump has been his willingness to bow his knee to Vladimir Putin. To ask for favors from Vladimir Putin…. This comes amid his campaign to basically kneecap the aid to Ukraine right now. People ought to take this very, very seriously because it feels as if we are sleepwalking into a global catastrophe…. ”
 
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Never before have I seen the name of Charlie Sykes. I have never read anything from Bulwark. But I do know that his opinion does not represent the opinion of the majority of Republicans.
 
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The USA and NATO should have stopped the war from happening. We should have led a crushing military defeat against Putin in the early months of the war.

How does that work? How does the US/NATO stop the Russian invasion in Feb 2022 without attacking premptively? Do we make Ukraine a member of NATO back then to signal that an attack would be a really bad idea?

How does NATO/US crush Russia *after* their invasion without directly entering to combat against the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

If we do either of those things, how do we avoid large scale war with Russia?
 
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Putin's evil and heinous war against Ukraine has been fought to a stalemate.
The USA and NATO should have stopped the war from happening. We should have led a crushing military defeat against Putin in the early months of the war.
But it is much too late for that military destruction of the significant majority of The Russian military, IMO. Putin is an evil tyrant we should have stopped. But we did not do that.
Therefore, looking at a stalemate that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, a better solution should be found. Instead, too many in our government are willing to keep on funding this heinous war.

This situation reminds me of a popular definition of insanity.
Blaming America for a war Russia started with Ukraine...

And to think the republicans are accusing Biden of getting us into WWIII (for Trump it is WWII) and you are saying we should have went to war with Russia?
 
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