Why are most Christians so accepting of magic

[nanookadenord]

I agree.... that as Christians our common sense should not go out the window..... So.. listen to those that are awake.. Sure, let your kids read and watch, but, do as others here have stated and educate your kids on the dangers..

Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Have I not said that my kids are educated?

While the ones that are 1200 miles away aren't in church, they were taught right from wrong and real from make believe.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I don't think it is the adults that are unable to differentiate... It's the kids.

Thankfully you have taught your kids.. many out there do not have this mentoring available and are lost.

It isn't just some children who lack the ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality. I have encountered some adults over the years who couldn't differentiate fact from fiction either.

 

[Hank77]

Awe... but he was stating that he was transformed and spoke to get fame and fortune... all the while preaching about God... These people convert people to Christianity.. whether by proper methods or not.

He was not using demonic subjects to gain fame and fortune and claiming that that is exactly where he got his help... He was preaching the negative about that, how they didn't care, left him for dead and the horror of that life..... compared to the love, acceptance and ultimate power of Christ... Even though a lie... he was still preaching truth.

Will you address my point?
What you have said above is not addressing how people sometimes lie about their interactions with satan and/or demons to spice up their wares. So just because they have said it, doesn't mean we should believe it, especially when there is evidence that says otherwise.

 

[Cis.jd]

We'll see who is a fool. Being blind to the desception of Satan are the ones who are fools.

Of course, the unbeliever will call me a fool... they are blind. Yet, look at youth crime, disrespect for authority, our youth have been done a great disservice by us, their parents, by lax and pathetic preparation for the world... spiritually and otherwise.

You thought those magicians you referenced where real sorcerers, just like the people during the dark ages did with gypsies. You reject reason and evidence just as always and yet you are trying to claim that God has opened your eyes? This is near perversion of his word because it makes him not only look fiction but absurd.

 

[Charlie V]

I agree with the person that said that the magic in fiction is fiction. There's another type of magic that's also for entertainment and not mentioned in the Bible: a guy on stage doing card tricks and pulling rabbits from hats. Harmless fun.

Biblically, the word translated "sorcerer" is in Strong's Concordance.
φαρμακεύς pharmakeús, far-mak-yoos'; from φάρμακον phármakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion); a druggist ("pharmacist") or poisoner, i.e. (by extension) a magician:—sorcerer.

In today's world, the drug manufacturers that are addicting people to opiods and killing them are much more similar to the Biblical meaning of sorcerer than any fiction story or any entertainer doing card tricks. We should all oppose today's "sorcerers" who are using the pretense of medicine to profit from people's misery and death.

I believe strongly that if Jesus were to come in the flesh and speak directly to our faces, he would preach with anger at the manufacturers and distributors of opioid drugs, and he would have no argument with the author of Harry Potter.

 

[nanookadenord]

I agree with what others said, that the magic in fiction is fiction. There's another type of magic that's also for entertainment and not mentioned in the Bible: a guy on stage doing card tricks and pulling rabbits from hats. Harmless fun.

Biblically, the word translated "sorcerer" is in Strong's Concordance.
φαρμακεύς pharmakeús, far-mak-yoos'; from φάρμακον phármakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion); a druggist ("pharmacist") or poisoner, i.e. (by extension) a magician:—sorcerer.

In today's world, the drug manufacturers that are addicting people to opiods and killing them are much more similar to the Biblical meaning of sorcerer than any fiction story or any entertainer doing card tricks. We should all oppose today's "sorcerers" who are using the pretense of medicine to profit from people's misery and death.

Hopefully, you do not condemn all medicine?

I, as an EMT, have seen the good that medicine does when used appropriately.

 

[Hank77]

In today's world, the drug manufacturers that are addicting people to opiods and killing them are much more similar to the Biblical meaning of sorcerer than any fiction story or any entertainer doing card tricks. We should all oppose today's "sorcerers" who are using the pretense of medicine to profit from people's misery and death.

Pharma companies do not prescribe opioids to anyone. Patients and prescribing doctors are responsible for opioid addictions.

What every state needs is a computer network between every pharmacy that records every sale so that when a person goes doctor/pharmacy hopping they can't get a second prescription filled within a set time period determined by the first prescribing doctor.

 

[Charlie V]

Will you address my point?
What you have said above is not addressing how people sometimes lie about their interactions with satan and/or demons to spice up their wares. So just because they have said it, doesn't mean we should believe it, especially when there is evidence that says otherwise.

Maybe it's because I haven't been in these forums for a while that I'm not used to the conversations I'm reading here.

I have to say, I believe I lead a very different life than some of the people here. Because I can honestly say that never in my entire life have I met someone who told me that they had interactions with "satan or demons", whether to spice up a ware, whatever that means, or for any other reason.

Most people's demons are the demons of greed or anger or addiction. If anyone believed they literally interacted with satan or demons, I'd suspect that person needs (good) medical help and perhaps had a bad experience with pharmakeús (had been given bad drugs).

 

[Charlie V]

Pharma companies do not prescribe opioids to anyone. Patients and prescribing doctors are responsible for opioid addictions.

What every state needs is a computer network between every pharmacy that records every sale so that when a person goes doctor/pharmacy hopping they can't get a second prescription filled within a set time period determined by the first prescribing doctor.

Pharma companies bribe doctors who prescribe opiods in dangerous quantities and falsely claimed for decades that these drugs were safe and non-addictive.

 

[Charlie V]

Hopefully, you do not condemn all medicine?

Most certainly not. Much medicine is, indeed, quite beneficial and necessary. What I am talking about, and what I believe was meant in the passage, was snake oil salesmen, and more dangerous things like we're seeing in the opioid crisis. These are literally our poisoners today.

 

[Charlie V]

Patients and prescribing doctors are responsible for opioid addictions.

If you truly believe that the responsibility for this crisis is entirely with the doctors and the patients, then you haven't read about what's been going on. The patients are the victims. The manufacturers spent decades fraudulently claiming that opioids were safe and non-addictive and bribing doctors to over-prescribe them. These people profited by their evil, becoming among the richest people in the world, making billions of dollars by creating a pandemic of addiction.

Christians should be appalled by them, and taking action to stop them. These are the sorcerers, not the people who write children's books about children with invisibility cloaks and who fly on brooms playing a sports game. These people are murderers and poisoners, and are truly evil.

 

[Hank77]

The manufacturers spent decades fraudulently claiming that opioids were safe and non-addictive and bribing doctors to over-prescribe them.

I'll just leave you with a link so I won't be off topic.
Heroin Overview : Origin and History | Methoide

 

[Charlie V]

I'll just leave you with a link so I won't be off topic.
Heroin Overview : Origin and History | Methoide

This is actually on topic, when you consider the meaning of the word that was translated "sorcerer." It is poisoner, like the Sackler family. Allow me to provide you a link. There are thousands of links available with a great deal of information about the OxyCotin poisoners, today's sorcerers who have victimized Christians and non-Christians alike with their poisons. I pray for the victims of the poisoners the Sacklers, and I pray for justice.

If the issue of poisoners (the true meaning of the word in Revelation) is indeed considered off topic, that is ironic. So much discussion of Harry Potter. Now THAT is off topic when the Strong's Concordance meaning of the word in Revelation is considered.

It even goes to the heart of Jesus teachings. Love God and Love thy Neighbor. The horrible lies that created this epidemic destroys thy neighbor's life. No wonder the evangelist in Revelation came down so hard on poisoners.

The Family That Built an Empire of Pain

 

[FaithLife1]

J.K. Rowling responded to all the criticism and accusations from Christians: "I absolutely did not start writing these books to encourage any child into witchcraft. I'm laughing slightly because to me the idea is absurd. I have met thousands of children now, and not even one time has a child come up to me and said, 'Ms. Rowling, I'm so glad I've read these books because now I want to be a witch.' They see it for what it is. It is a fantasy world and they understand that completely."

If she doesn't believe that it's witchcraft or has witchcraft themes then she's kidding herself. Harry Potter has magic wands and spells. I'm just seeing the black pot as a black pot.

 

[nanookadenord]

If she doesn't believe that it's witchcraft or has witchcraft themes then she's kidding herself. Harry Potter has magic wands and spells. I'm just seeing the black pot as a black pot.

Have you equally condemned Cinderella?

 

[Charlie V]

If she doesn't believe that it's witchcraft or has witchcraft themes then she's kidding herself. Harry Potter has magic wands and spells. I'm just seeing the black pot as a black pot.

There are episodes of Bugs Bunny cartoons that also have magic wands and spells. I remember one where a genie has to open a secret passage by saying "Open Sesame" but can't remember the word and says "Open Sassafras... no, Open Sarsaparilla." That Bugs Bunny cartoon is no more about "real" witchcraft (which I don't think is a thing) than Harry Potter.

The only "real" magic wands are dime store novelties that are sold to tourists to entertain children. The children wave them around until they get bored and then they get thrown in a trash heap.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Have you equally condemned Cinderella?

Let's not forget about Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, The Little Mermaid, and so many other movies and cartoons for children too. It has been my experience that most Christians who condemn Harry Potter aren't morally consistent in their pious arguments against magic and won't condemn certain movies, which are usually the movies they personally like. It happens a lot among these Christians.

 

[Viper4Christ]

Depends what kind of "magic" we're talking about.
There's the harmless type where you use slight of hand or a hidden compartment of some kind to perform your trick.
Then you have the other side of the spectrum with your David Blaine's, Copperfield, Angel, Steven Frayne (Dynamo) etc that all have talked about or referenced using/summoning spirit guides (demons) and other dark art material to perform at the level they do.
That is the kind of magic Scripture speaks against and is referred to as sorcery.

 

[Hieronymus]

Let's not forget about Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, The Little Mermaid, and so many other movies and cartoons for children too. It has been my experience that most Christians who condemn Harry Potter aren't morally consistent in their pious arguments against magic and won't condemn certain movies, which are usually the movies they personally like. It happens a lot among these Christians.

Nah, you're just missing the point, even after repeated and clear explanation.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Nah, you're just missing the point, even after repeated and clear explanation.

I'm not missing the point. I'm just not accepting the usual ad nauseam excuses and all the pious arguments to condemn Harry Potter and make-believe magic that have been given in this thread.