Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

[jimmyjimmy]

Liberal politics like this?

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Liberal politics about not demonizing entire groups of people, acting like an arrogant buffoon, bragging about sleeping with many women, owning strip bars and casinos, etc. etc.

Again, I ask the question, what is Christianity? If a person can claim to be a Trump supporter and be a Christian at the same time, what definition are we left with? Is there anything we can agree on?

The Liberal mind can't discriminate because it's ideology won't let it, which means it can't discern. It cannot see the difference between the poor and a terrorist. It refuses to see what's happened in Germany and Sweden (the new rape capital of Europe)

 

[HighwayMan]

I'm voting for Trump, and I'll give him the max campaign contribution, as well. Are you saying that I'm not a Christian. Actually, it appears you already have.

Well it seems that we can both call ourselves "Christian," but the trouble is we can not agree on anything whatsoever about it.
In order for a word to have meaning, there needs to be at least some common understanding of what in entails. "Follower of Jesus Christ," ok, but this Jesus Christ did some things and said some things. And there is zero, absolutely zero common understanding about these things between some Christians, it seems.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Well it seems that we can both call ourselves "Christian," but the trouble is we can not agree on anything whatsoever about it.
In order for a word to have meaning, there needs to be at least some common understanding of what in entails.

Why is it that Liberals are so bigoted? I thought that your whole platform was, "there's room at the table for everyone".

At the end of the day, there is little difference between backward fundamentalism and rabid Liberalism. They both are filled with hate for anyone who does not tow the company line.

You can't even imagine how there is a possibility that I am a Christian because I am a conservative, and that doesn't alarm you?

 

[HighwayMan]

Why is it that Liberals are so bigoted? I thought that your whole platform was, "there's room at the table for everyone".

At the end of the day, there is little difference between backward fundamentalism and rabid Liberalism. They both are filled with hate for anyone who does not tow the company line.

You can't even imagine how there is a possibility that I am a Christian because I am a conservative, and that doesn't alarm you?

...who said I am a liberal? I am most definitely not. Where have I stated otherwise?

Also, I never once equated what Trump is doing to being a conservative. Again, these are all words and definitions you are coming up with. There are plenty of conservatives who want nothing to do with Trump, including previous Republican presidents.

My question is about what it means to be a Christian when there is zero mutual understanding on pretty much anything between some Christians.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

...who said I am a liberal? I am most definitely not. Where have I stated otherwise?

Also, I never once equated what Trump is doing to being a conservative. Again, these are all words and definitions you are coming up with. There are plenty of conservatives who want nothing to do with Trump, including previous Republican presidents.

My question is about what it means to be a Christian when there is zero mutual understanding on pretty much anything between some Christians.

Your posts left me with impression that you lean left. I assumed it.

The reason why you find no common ground with me is that you have expanded the definition of orthodox Christian by adding criteria which is beyond what Gods word says.

The Niceness Creed is a good place to start defining Christianity.

 

[HighwayMan]

Your posts left me with impression that you lean left. I assumed it.

The reason why you find no common ground with me is that you have expanded the definition of orthodox Christian by adding criteria which is beyond what Gods word says.

The Niceness Creed is a good place to start defining Christianity.

I literally quoted the Bible to you word by word. I am not "expanding" anything. I can not believe that treating people with kindness is taken with so much suspicion by others who read the same words.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I literally quoted the Bible to you word by word. I am not "expanding" anything. I can not believe that treating people with kindness is taken with so much suspicion by others who read the same words.

Kindness to whom? You want kindness for terrorists, but what about their victims. It's not kind to let evil and lawlessness go unchecked.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My question is about what it means to be a Christian when there is zero mutual understanding on pretty much anything between some Christians.

You've seen already, then, this changes town to town, city to city, with most.
As Jesus says,
there's a few that Yhwh called and chose for Himself, and set apart for Himself,
who are dead to the world (and all religion), and the world is dead to us/them.
When
you meet them/us, you find what the Bible talks about, what God has Accomplished.
Seek God's Kingdom, and KEEP SEEKING every day, all the time, from God Himself -
HE is Faithful and True. HE will not disappoint you, though all men will.

Psalm 147:14-161599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
14 He setteth peace in thy borders, and satisfieth thee with the a]">[a]flour of wheat.

15 He sendeth forth his b]">[b]commandment upon earth, and his word runneth very c]">[c]swiftly.

16 He giveth snow like wool, and scattereth the hoary frost like ashes.

Footnotes:

1. Psalm 147:14 Hebrew, fat.
2. Psalm 147:15 His secret working in all creatures is as a commandment to keep them in order, and to give them moving and force.
3. Psalm 147:15 For immediately and without resisting all things obey him.

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition. Published by Tolle Lege Press.

 

[HighwayMan]

Kindness to whom? You want kindness for terrorists, but what about their victims. It's not kind to let evil and lawlessness go unchecked.

The OP is about asylum seekers fleeing war and terrorism. That is the thread and the concept I am replying to. If you view all such people automatically as "terrorists," then again, you and I have absolutely nothing in common, nothing in the slightest regard.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The OP is about asylum seekers fleeing war and terrorism. That is the thread and the concept I am replying to. If you view all such people automatically as "terrorists," then again, you and I have absolutely nothing in common, nothing in the slightest regard.

Unless, of course, it was "staged"....
that has happened , right, before ?
Some country or people "staged" something totally, OR made use of circumstances,
to get "help" that resulted in the bad guys getting in where they could do
even more disastrous harm .....
IF IT WAS STAGED, how would you find out ?
You already can "SUSPECT it was staged", because of the actors involved (criminals) ....

 

[Albion]

HighwayMan, The OP chose to characterize all immigrants as "asylum seekers." You stipulate, in addition, that they are "fleeing war and terrorism." None of that is any more correct than doing the opposite and describing them all as "terrorists." And the issue itself remains terrorism, not asylum seeking.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The OP is about asylum seekers fleeing war and terrorism. That is the thread and the concept I am replying to. If you view all such people automatically as "terrorists," then again, you and I have absolutely nothing in common, nothing in the slightest regard.

Why not love me with all of that Christian love for everyone you espouse and supposedly have but I lack? You see, therein lies your hypocrisy.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

HighwayMan, The OP chose to characterize all immigrants as "asylum seekers." You stipulate, in addition, that they are "fleeing war and terrorism." None of that is any more correct than doing the opposite and describing them all as "terrorists." And the issue itself remains terrorism, not asylum seeking.

Yes. No one I know would deny helping true asylum seekers, but this case is not so cut and dried, which is why governments must discriminate (not a bad word) in order to keep their citizens for harm.

 

[HighwayMan]

HighwayMan, The OP chose to characterize all immigrants as "asylum seekers." You stipulate, in addition, that they are "fleeing war and terrorism." None of that is any more correct than doing the opposite and describing them all as "terrorists." And the issue itself remains terrorism, not asylum seeking.

I'm sorry but this is absurd. I didn't say "everyone is not a terrorist." I said that people who are fleeing war and terrorism. The majority of those are the refugees that Trump wants to turn away.

 

[HighwayMan]

Yes. No one I know would deny helping true asylum seekers, but this case is not so cut and dried, which is why governments must discriminate (not a bad word) in order to keep their citizens for harm.

Roughly about half the country, of which many Christians, want to turn away true asylum seekers in their vote for Trump. And so the OP is very correct in the question. What is a Christian, and how do we define the word, if so many that describe themselves as Christians want to turn away the people Jesus said we should care for? That is my question.

 

[Albion]

I'm sorry but this is absurd. I didn't say "everyone is not a terrorist." I said that people who are fleeing war and terrorism. The majority of those are the refugees that Trump wants to turn away.

You are now attempting to amend the OP. It was that which I responded to, and it made no distinction between genuine asylum seekers and other so-called refugees, but went on to claim that Christians oppose asylum seekers--which of course they do not.

 

[pat34lee]

Roughly about half the country, of which many Christians, want to turn away true asylum seekers in their vote for Trump. And so the OP is very correct in the question. What is a Christian, and how do we define the word, if so many that describe themselves as Christians want to turn away the people Jesus said we should care for? That is my question.

You have asked that and been answered. You have yet to answer
what about Belgium, Germany and France and the other countries
where these 'asylum seekers' have gone? Why are they under siege,
with soaring crime rates, including assault, rape and murder?

And you never answered my specific question about Trump, as opposed
to Hillary and Sanders.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Roughly about half the country, of which many Christians, want to turn away true asylum seekers in their vote for Trump. And so the OP is very correct in the question. What is a Christian, and how do we define the word, if so many that describe themselves as Christians want to turn away the people Jesus said we should care for? That is my question.

Mexicans aren't asylum seekers.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Mexicans aren't asylum seekers.

I didn't see mexicans mentioned, but it is true, they (the unlawful ones) have caused much damage in the usa, spiritually and morally (sort of 'morally'..... kind of wondering if the usa was ever as moral as they claimed to be...) including bringing insidiously to many cities rampant idolatry even in grocery stores and 'dollar' / other stores... apparently unopposed as if NO ONE recognized it or the danger to everyone.

 

[HighwayMan]

You have asked that and been answered. You have yet to answer
what about Belgium, Germany and France and the other countries
where these 'asylum seekers' have gone? Why are they under siege,
with soaring crime rates, including assault, rape and murder?

And you never answered my specific question about Trump, as opposed
to Hillary and Sanders.

I have never said anything about Sanders or Clinton, and have 0 interest in talking about them. Not voting for Trump is not the same as voting for other people. The fact that American voters have given themselves such poor alternatives is their own fault.

The fact that there are dangerous people among the refugees does not in any way shape or form negate the words of Christ in Matthew 25. Jesus did not say to help, feed and clothe only people that have been verified by authorities, have no criminal record, or pass any other qualification. He said to help the stranger. He did not say "first make sure he's not a filthy terrorist," he said help the stranger.